I'm at the point now with this show that everytime Mazz speaks, I want to reach through the radio to choke him to death. Every fucking point the man makes borders on hysteria. Equally annoying is his tendancy to always answer either Felger or a caller with "Yeah, <name>." Yes, Felger was very disappointing with his blame the Bruins take today, but he's really the reason I listen to that show.
Felger and Mazz - Creating False Naratives one day at a time
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Just an awful job by Felger yesterday, i've never seen him have a more tone deaf point than the one he was making yesterday. I've said before that he probably at least sort of believes most of the trolling points he makes, and this may be true even for yesterday, but it was pure insanity for 4 hours. Literally every "take" was awful yesterday. Red Sox and Bruins.
edit: it's truly baffling to me how MTL fans think they don't dive more than everyone else in the league. They all always bring up Marchand, who has maybe 2 examples of diving in his career that a big deal was made of and the coach criticized. Marchand does all kinds of shit and annoys people, but most of it is of the running his mouth variety and he takes plenty of shots in response. There's almost no player like PK Subban in the league when it comes to the outrageous simulation combined with reckless play and super talented play. Unlike many players who simulate and exaggerate, he's simply better than that.
edit: it's truly baffling to me how MTL fans think they don't dive more than everyone else in the league. They all always bring up Marchand, who has maybe 2 examples of diving in his career that a big deal was made of and the coach criticized. Marchand does all kinds of shit and annoys people, but most of it is of the running his mouth variety and he takes plenty of shots in response. There's almost no player like PK Subban in the league when it comes to the outrageous simulation combined with reckless play and super talented play. Unlike many players who simulate and exaggerate, he's simply better than that.
It was on the other day when I got in my car and I heard Gasper, so I gave it a chance. He and Felger predicted 89 and 88 wins, respectively. Mazz exploded and said they were on crack. The Red Sox and all the other teams in the division were going to beat each other up and finish between 80 and 90 wins. Mazz said they were out of their minds predicting 88 and 89 wins. There was a strange silence where you could almost hear the confused looks on their faces before they both asked almost simultaneously if 88 and 89 were between 80 and 90.
The great part was Mazz continuing to defend that they'd win between 80 and 90 games while simultaneously saying it was absolutely ridiculous to think they'd win 88 or 89. If you're really debating whether Mazz is an act or not, please stop. When simple (and I mean VERY simple) arithmetic is not enough to dissuade an argument, you know he's only making it for show.
The great part was Mazz continuing to defend that they'd win between 80 and 90 games while simultaneously saying it was absolutely ridiculous to think they'd win 88 or 89. If you're really debating whether Mazz is an act or not, please stop. When simple (and I mean VERY simple) arithmetic is not enough to dissuade an argument, you know he's only making it for show.
Yup. Jagr is only playing because he needs the money to cover his gambling habit. He's already won a cup, so he doesn't have any fire and doesn't care about winning another one. Mazz is such an idiot.Corsi said:
Glad I came in here before I turned on the radio. Thanks for listening so I don't have to.Blacken said:
"Jagr is not going to help your goals against"
--Felger
Can somebody tell Felger that the GAA for both of their goalies are 2.02 and 2.07?
--Felger
Can somebody tell Felger that the GAA for both of their goalies are 2.02 and 2.07?
RedOctober3829 said:
The Bruins have given up the 2nd least goals in all of the NHL (77, Chicago leads with 76).
Felger remains, an idiot.
On Bergeron's concussion....
"I don't like this moderate word, Mike. Moderate is worse than mild."
--Tony Mazz
SMH.....
"I don't like this moderate word, Mike. Moderate is worse than mild."
--Tony Mazz
SMH.....
Sadly Felger and Mazz are now putting as much effort into their job as Borges and CHB do.
Paraphrasing the dynamic duo "OMG I can't believe the Bruins didn't trade for a top 4 D, they blew it badly today". Conveniently leaving out the fact that no teams traded any top 4 D today.
It is 100% contrarian schtick every time I turn on the radio when they are on. It sadly says a lot about the general listening audience when this is all it takes to top the ratings.
Paraphrasing the dynamic duo "OMG I can't believe the Bruins didn't trade for a top 4 D, they blew it badly today". Conveniently leaving out the fact that no teams traded any top 4 D today.
It is 100% contrarian schtick every time I turn on the radio when they are on. It sadly says a lot about the general listening audience when this is all it takes to top the ratings.
They have been absolutely infuriating with their Bruins takes the last few weeks. Felger repeatedly says Chiarelli got out-maneuvered by PIT on Iginla, which is just flat out wrong but he keeps banging that drum. That, combined with the over-the-top Claude hatred has pushed me to Salk and Holley this week.
I didn't think that I'd say this so quickly, but I've spent most of the last couple of days listening to Salk and Holley. Felger and Maz are doing what the Big Show did, resting on their laurels, thinking they know everything. The chemistry between Salk and Holley is really good, I like listening to them.
F&M have sand in their vags about EVERYTHING. And there's no give and take, it's Felger pontificating for most of the show and Maz completely agreeing with him. No pushback at all. Felger is like Callahan in that he needs someone to challenge him on the shit that comes out of his mouth.
It's sad.
F&M have sand in their vags about EVERYTHING. And there's no give and take, it's Felger pontificating for most of the show and Maz completely agreeing with him. No pushback at all. Felger is like Callahan in that he needs someone to challenge him on the shit that comes out of his mouth.
It's sad.
Felger's approach to the Bruins is unlike any other team in town, because (as we all know) it's the one team he actually likes. He is completely blind when it comes to this team in a different way then any of the other teams in town. Mazz already admits to being a "Bruins pink hat," and I admire his honesty there, but it's terrible when paired with "Blind/Angry Bruins Fanboy." There's no analysis or commentary coming from the show when they're not interviewing Neely or Milbury.
Felger is beating the exact same drum he did in 2011, to the point where he has a number of tired, go-to rants that we all heard two years ago. Seguin isn't getting enough playing time, Claude rolls four lines too much, they don't have enough scoring. And on "Cross-Check" a few weeks back, he tried to tell Milbury that anyone can win *one* Cup, so Claude doesn't get any credit for his system or even any slack. You can take each point on it's own merit, but not when it's just blind team-bashing nonsense.
But the one that's killed me this week is his pushing for Khudobin over Rask. Felger's not convinced Rask is the answer, doesn't know why he's being given the reigns, in the playoffs you need a goalie to stand on his head and steal a series. Again, valid points that you can debate...but it's almost verbatim what he said in 2011. Change "Rask" to "Thomas" and "Khodobin" to "Rask," and you have the exact same talking points. "Is Thomas going to flop our way to a cup? Why not give Rask a shot like last year? Thomas has never taken them past the second round?!?!?" I can't take any of his points seriously when it just boils down to scared fanboy angst.
I've been a big Felger fan in the past but this repetitive, non-objective nonsense is completely tiresome. And now that the rest of the market is talking hockey too, there are alternatives.
Felger is beating the exact same drum he did in 2011, to the point where he has a number of tired, go-to rants that we all heard two years ago. Seguin isn't getting enough playing time, Claude rolls four lines too much, they don't have enough scoring. And on "Cross-Check" a few weeks back, he tried to tell Milbury that anyone can win *one* Cup, so Claude doesn't get any credit for his system or even any slack. You can take each point on it's own merit, but not when it's just blind team-bashing nonsense.
But the one that's killed me this week is his pushing for Khudobin over Rask. Felger's not convinced Rask is the answer, doesn't know why he's being given the reigns, in the playoffs you need a goalie to stand on his head and steal a series. Again, valid points that you can debate...but it's almost verbatim what he said in 2011. Change "Rask" to "Thomas" and "Khodobin" to "Rask," and you have the exact same talking points. "Is Thomas going to flop our way to a cup? Why not give Rask a shot like last year? Thomas has never taken them past the second round?!?!?" I can't take any of his points seriously when it just boils down to scared fanboy angst.
I've been a big Felger fan in the past but this repetitive, non-objective nonsense is completely tiresome. And now that the rest of the market is talking hockey too, there are alternatives.
He took something that Neely said about Jagr completely out of context and has been riding that the whole time since they got him. Neely said that they didn't know which line he'd play on, but that didn't stop Felger from saying that he'd be pissed if they stuck Jagr with the 3rd line. No one ever said that Jagr was going to be on the 3rd line, but Felger just creates the negativity about that situation as if it already happened. He was riding Clode because "that's something that Clode would do."
Then, this morning it was announced that Jagr was on the line with Marchand and Seguin. Suck it, Felger.
Then, this morning it was announced that Jagr was on the line with Marchand and Seguin. Suck it, Felger.
All the Jagr 3rd line hand-wringing was on the same day that Felger was pulling his hair out over Rich Peverly playing more even-strength minutes than Tyler Seguin on Tuesday night. He was contradicting himself and didn't even realize it.
1. Claude is too balanced with how he plays the lines; the third line gets the same amount of ice time as Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin.
2. Jagr might be trapped on the third line.
3. Claude might not play Jagr that much because he doesn't play enough defense.
4. Even though he plays all the lines the same amount.
Unless Paille is on the Peverly line and Claude's got Jagr on Campbell's wing, it's a non-issue.
1. Claude is too balanced with how he plays the lines; the third line gets the same amount of ice time as Marchand-Bergeron-Seguin.
2. Jagr might be trapped on the third line.
3. Claude might not play Jagr that much because he doesn't play enough defense.
4. Even though he plays all the lines the same amount.
Unless Paille is on the Peverly line and Claude's got Jagr on Campbell's wing, it's a non-issue.
He took something that Neely said about Jagr completely out of context and has been riding that the whole time since they got him. Neely said that they didn't know which line he'd play on, but that didn't stop Felger from saying that he'd be pissed if they stuck Jagr with the 3rd line. No one ever said that Jagr was going to be on the 3rd line, but Felger just creates the negativity about that situation as if it already happened. He was riding Clode because "that's something that Clode would do."
Then, this morning it was announced that Jagr was on the line with Marchand and Seguin. Suck it, Felger.
Not to defend Felger, but that's not exactly a surprise that he is on the Marchand/Seguin line since Bergeron is out.
I heard that interview and it's a fair question, one that likely won't have an answer until the post season, where would Jagr have played if Bergeron didn't get hurt? The one name Cam didn't say was Lucic's when he was talking about that line playing well.
Edit: If Bergeron were healthy and Lucic, Horton or Marchand were moved down to the 3rd line then you would be right with the "Suck It Felger", but at this point there is no telling where Colde would have put Jagr.
Then, this morning it was announced that Jagr was on the line with Marchand and Seguin. Suck it, Felger.
Not to defend Felger, but that's not exactly a surprise that he is on the Marchand/Seguin line since Bergeron is out.
I heard that interview and it's a fair question, one that likely won't have an answer until the post season, where would Jagr have played if Bergeron didn't get hurt? The one name Cam didn't say was Lucic's when he was talking about that line playing well.
Edit: If Bergeron were healthy and Lucic, Horton or Marchand were moved down to the 3rd line then you would be right with the "Suck It Felger", but at this point there is no telling where Colde would have put Jagr.
Regardless the issue with F&M is that at least in Felgers case I really do believe that he doesn't agree with 2/3's of the shit he spews but he has come to the realization that it is a lot easier to be a contrarian in this town than to actually put in some effort and analysis and have intelligent discussion.
Prior to his Bruins bashing he was doing the same exact thing to the Patriots and Welker situation. Wash/Rinse/Repeat
Prior to his Bruins bashing he was doing the same exact thing to the Patriots and Welker situation. Wash/Rinse/Repeat
HomeBrew1901 said:
He's not putting Jagr on the 3rd line when everybody is healthy. I have to believe that he'd be on a line with Lucic and Krejci.
j44thor said:
I must disagree. There's one team in town Felger is a legitimate fan of - the Bruins. He's a hysterical, whiny, insane fan when it comes to the Bruins. He - like me - detests Claude's style of play. He fears Jagr being put on the third line with two "defensive grinders" because Claude has a system, that system works, and that system demands defensive accountability. Jagr is a terrible fit with Claude the coach and a good fit for what this team needed (in Chiarelli's opinion). Felger (and others, it's not a unique opinion) believed that the interest in Iginla was more logical because Iginla is more rugged and defensively responsible. Jagr provides the scoring needed - will he get the playing time?
The stupid Welker shit is stupid Welker shit. It's fair to view him as a contrarian (he is) and wash/rinse/repeating (he does). Especially as it regards the Celtics, who he dislikes and the Red Sox, where he "defers" to Mazz and has made ownership bashing his stock-in-trade.
But I truly believe he likes the Bruins as a fan and legitimately dislikes the coach. A coach he has largely laid off of since the Cup. And he legitimately fears Jagr being used as just another cog in the Claude System, instead of as a specialty part that requires the System adapt around him.
This is just not true. He has bashed "the system" almost every day this year. He may not call Claude out everyday, but when he makes remarks and "coughs" uh-uh, SYSTEM...yea, he is calling out Claude and it is tiresome.
I think it depends on your definition of "largely". I think he laid off of him for most of the season last year after the cup but the "fribble" talk has slowly crept back into his regular rotation, along with the relatively new "high glass line".PC Drunken Friar said:
"Why is Stephen Drew here? This was the perfect opportunity to play a kid in Iglesias and they blew it by signing Drew."
"I am so excited to watch Stephen Drew play!"
-Felger on Comcast last night
Expect plenty more Drew bashing this afternoon.
"I am so excited to watch Stephen Drew play!"
-Felger on Comcast last night
Expect plenty more Drew bashing this afternoon.
If someone on the show doesn't produce audio of Skip Bayless' Tebow rap video ('All he does is win'), then I don't know what to say.
http://youtu.be/zMK9FKMG3Nc
http://youtu.be/zMK9FKMG3Nc
I turned it on yesterday and heard Beetle say something like, "I just want to complain about them signing Stephen Drew," and turned it off. But it really is the perfect description of what the show's been like lately, lucky us, we get to listen to them complain.shawnrbu said:
Let's give Mazz some credit, he's been staunchly anti-Iglesias the past couple of days. Yesterday he pointed out Iglesias' horrific OPS in the minor leagues.
We'll see if he holds strong, or if Felger twists him into a pretzel. Sadly, since it's easier for him to just nod and agree, I'll go with the latter.
We'll see if he holds strong, or if Felger twists him into a pretzel. Sadly, since it's easier for him to just nod and agree, I'll go with the latter.
It always amazes me that people can see Mike and the Mad Dog as some sort of radio nirvana and yet these programming directors can't see what made that show tick. Each guy digs in on opposite sides of the fence and goes at each other for four hours. Listeners related to one or the other and then call in supporting one or the other, make sure you take an even number of calls on both sides, rinse, repeat. Hope the two guys don't generate enough hatred toward each other that you have a homicide on air.
Felger is 1/2 of a very good show. Whether he's the "Mike" or the "mad Dog" is open to interpretation, but they desperately need to find his counterpart. He takes extreme positions but does so with enough logic on his side that an argument is possible. There's nobody in house at TSH (including Beetle) who has enough stones to consistently stand up to him and defeat him enough to keep him honest or entertain the listeners in the process. For the show to win, Felger has to lose some days.
Felger is 1/2 of a very good show. Whether he's the "Mike" or the "mad Dog" is open to interpretation, but they desperately need to find his counterpart. He takes extreme positions but does so with enough logic on his side that an argument is possible. There's nobody in house at TSH (including Beetle) who has enough stones to consistently stand up to him and defeat him enough to keep him honest or entertain the listeners in the process. For the show to win, Felger has to lose some days.
Phenom said:
For a completely asinine reason. His thesis is that since the Sox signed Drew and have Bogaerts playing at SS in AA, then the plan MUST BE that Bogaerts is the SS next year.
Has Portland played a game yet? If not, Bogaerts has 0 at bats above A-ball, unless you want to count the farce that is the WBC, in which case, OK, he's got some glorified spring training at bats against marginal competition. Oh, and he's 20.
Drew signed a one-year deal as Iglesias insurance. The team could not hand Iglesias the starting job and they needed Ciriaco as the utility guy...leaving them WHAT exactly to cover themselves if Iglesias made no improvements on last year and struggled in ST.
But Iglesias did improve over the off-season and did hit during ST and has guaranteed himself a non-putrid batting average into late May with his production in the first three games. And Drew got hurt.
Drew was never more than insurance. And anyone who thinks Bogaerts is the starting SS on opening day 2014 is really, really optimistic. So...what's the plan in 2014? Oh yeah..Iglesias.
Mazz is stupid, stupid, stupid.
Phenom said:
Don't give him any credit. His dislike for Iglesias has more to do with him not properly valuing defense than it does him properly valuing offense. This is why I think the whole "they agree on everything!" thing is overblown. They can disagree and both manage to be stupid at the same time.
Jagr, Campbell and Paille tonight. Not exactly Lucic and Krejci.RedOctober3829 said:
And that's without everyone being healthy.
soxfan121 said:
Not critical to your overall point, but Bogaerts finished out last year in Portland. 23 games, 92 AB.
Felger is going to flip out on Claude tomorrow after that coaching debacle last night. And this time I will fully agree with him.....
Ok, Felger has to be trolling now...saying Schilling's # should be retired, while Pedro doesn't have the credentials for retirement.
Part of the job description for afternoon drive time host is to troll the audience occasionally. It generates calls. Hot sports takes.
That said, in the midst of that segment Felger said something to the effect of, "I must be right because no one is arguing it with me."
Uh, Mike? Parrot Mazz never argues with you. So what you meant to say was "Mike From Attelboro and Beetle didn't tell me I was wrong, so I must be right".
That said, in the midst of that segment Felger said something to the effect of, "I must be right because no one is arguing it with me."
Uh, Mike? Parrot Mazz never argues with you. So what you meant to say was "Mike From Attelboro and Beetle didn't tell me I was wrong, so I must be right".
Maybe I just wasn't tuned into it on the level of others in this thread until now, or maybe things have changed in the last few months to the point where its really noticeable, but the level of cynicism about every topic of discussion has just gotten so off-putting, I just can't listen to it anymore. They HATE sports now. Who needs it?
Buffalo Head said:
I couldn't agree with this more. It's gotten so bad that Beetle, who is generally pretty level-headed, is now a bastion of negativity.
Agreed. Every sports organization and members of management are out to screw and deceive people, regardless of the situation. Its lazy and trite, which is what we hated about EEI. Their takes are so predictable that we could script tomorrow's show before it airs.