mloyko54 said:
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal
Hanley Ramirez terms with #RedSox, per source: Four years, $88M with fifth-year vesting option valued at $22M.
Better in terms of years. More AAV
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24837304/hanley-also-in-agrement-with-red-sox-in-offense-overhaulRamirez is said to have reached out to the Red Sox in hopes of retuning to the place where he started his career. He knows Red Sox GM Ben Cherington very well from from his days before his trade to the Marlins (Cherington made that deal, as acting GM at the time, for Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell).
Ramirez is extremely close to David Ortiz, who he sees as a mentor. They have been in frequent contact ever since Ramirez was dealt away.
HangingW/ScottCooper said:Why are people excited about 4/88 instead of the initial reports of 5/90?
I think you have to see how the 5th year vests to give a complete opinion on the deal.HangingW/ScottCooper said:Why are people excited about 4/88 instead of the initial reports of 5/90?
CaptainLaddie said:Four years is awesome.
This is awesome. The signing would've great anyway but the idea that Ramirez reached out because he wanted to be here is really cool.Corsi said:
Because they suck at math?HangingW/ScottCooper said:Why are people excited about 4/88 instead of the initial reports of 5/90?
Corsi said:
Because there's some doubt he'd be worth $18M in the fifth year of the 5/$90M deal.
moondog80 said:
Except that it's 4 years at 88, as opposed to 5 at 90. An extra year at 2 mil isn't much risk for the Sox, especially if you calculate interest in the money saved by not going 22 mil AAV the first four years. I'd much rather have 90/5.
rodderick said:
Except that it isn't an extra year at 2 million. It's an extra year at 18 million, when the risk of him not being worth his contract will be at its highest.
rodderick said:
Except that it isn't an extra year at 2 million. It's an extra year at 18 million, when the risk of him not being worth his contract will be at its highest.
glennhoffmania said:The logistical gymnastics going on in here is mind boggling.
He was obviously never offered 5/90. The reporters had their numbers wrong because their sources didn't really know. This debate is useless, only a dipshit would prefer 4/88 over 5/90. Let's move on, it's a pointless debate.Spelunker said:
So...you'd take 4/90 over 5/90?
Corsi said:
They're paying a slight premium during Years 1-4 in order to give themselves protection in a potential Year 5, when he's likely not worth $18M.
The years don't exist in a vacuum; he'll be declining as the contract progresses.
Doesn't this all hinge on what the terms of the option are? Isn't it likely that if he's worth his $22m in years 1-4 that the option will vest?Corsi said:
They're paying a slight premium during Years 1-4 in order to give themselves protection in a potential Year 5, when he's likely not worth $18M.
The years don't exist in a vacuum; he'll be declining as the contract progresses.
mloyko54 said:
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
Hanley in agreement with Red Sox, pending physical too. Red Sox complete quick free agent double play.
Heyman confirms too
Corsi said:
They're paying a slight premium during Years 1-4 in order to give themselves protection in a potential Year 5, when he's likely not worth $18M.
The years don't exist in a vacuum; he'll be declining as the contract progresses.
Mad Dog is raking the Sox over the coal for making this deal.Clears Cleaver said:wow....nice
I don't get the hand wringing over all this.
moondog80 said:
What if it was a 90 year deal for 90 mil? He won't be worth 1 mil in 2104, right, so that would be a bad deal?
And we care what that moron thinks?Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:Mad Dog is raking the Sox over the coal for making this deal.
Corsi said:
This is the stupidest straw man I've ever read.
What are his reasons? (I can't stand listening to his screaming, but would appreciate a summary.)Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:Mad Dog is raking the Sox over the coal for making this deal.
Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:Mad Dog is raking the Sox over the coal for making this deal.
Corsi said:
This is the stupidest straw man I've ever read.
Hee Sox Choi said:He was obviously never offered 5/90. The reporters had their numbers wrong because their sources didn't really know. This debate is useless, only a dipshit would prefer 4/88 over 5/90. Let's move on, it's a pointless debate.
mloyko54 said:If that 5/90 report didn't get leaked no one would care or be comparing it. People on twitter were complaining last night thinking Ramirez was going to get 6 and 130-140 from the Sox. The 5/90 number should be irrelevent.
InsideTheParker said:What are his reasons? (I can't stand listening to his screaming, but would appreciate a summary.)
nvalvo said:Sounds like he hasn't heard that Ramirez reportedly pitched Cherington on coming back to play left.
Spelunker said:
So...you'd take 4/90 over 5/90?
DrewDawg said:
You understand that wasn't a real choice though right?