Makes sense thanks. And also a Harbaugh has never turned down the opportunity to whine and be petty.
NFL Coaching Changes: Chips a'Hoy
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How about Chip Kelly to the 49ers?
SF goes from a no-name candidate to one who is known, particularly on the West coast. Kelly gets a new gig right away and the chance to work with a QB who could fit his style. Plus, that roster is so thin that he wouldn't be in position to cut the types of veterans he did with Philly.
SF goes from a no-name candidate to one who is known, particularly on the West coast. Kelly gets a new gig right away and the chance to work with a QB who could fit his style. Plus, that roster is so thin that he wouldn't be in position to cut the types of veterans he did with Philly.
I'm curious as where Jim Schwartz winds up.
If we project Patricia as a HC candidate in 2017+, getting Schwartz involved this off-season would not be a bad play.
If we project Patricia as a HC candidate in 2017+, getting Schwartz involved this off-season would not be a bad play.
Given the truth of what happened out in SF, I'd say he's acting in a restrained manner.
If (1) the plan is to stick with Kaepernick, and (2) all parties can put their egos aside, this makes a lot of sense.
Of course, it's worth noting that Kelly just came from a situation where his titanic ego, assholic personality and spectacular incompetence as a GM doomed him a season after he won a power struggle that has similarities to the one Harbaugh lost in SF.
I have my doubts that the personalities here could play nicely in the sandbox even if they wanted to. But it might be interesting to see them try.
Involved with what?
Schwartz is a pretty good 4-3 scheme coordinator; I don't think he's likely to get another HC chance based on how it ended in his last two stops - I doubt many owners/GMs looked favorably on his request to be carried off the field in DET in Week 5(?) last year - and I don't think his system/playbook fits well at all in NE, who have consistently promoted from within to fill roles. Brendan Daly or Patrick Graham is much more likely to be promoted in NE if Patricia leaves (which is highly unlikely).
I think it's a little more nuanced than that, since the suggestion was just that Schwartz might be involved---the Pats brought in Dom Capers from the outside, for example. While Schwartz is more a 4-3 guy, he has used a bunch of schemes and sets along the way, just as the Pats have...and of course, has worked for Belichick before.
I suspect Schwartz will have better offers---at least DC (has been mentioned as Marrone's preference if he gets a job) jobs and perhaps more. So, a little hard to imagine why he'd want a roving-coordinator type role here other than MAYBE if he thought it would help him get a HC job again (and I agree with you that is likely not in the cards). I don't find it ridiculous to think about him, though.
I suspect Schwartz will have better offers---at least DC (has been mentioned as Marrone's preference if he gets a job) jobs and perhaps more. So, a little hard to imagine why he'd want a roving-coordinator type role here other than MAYBE if he thought it would help him get a HC job again (and I agree with you that is likely not in the cards). I don't find it ridiculous to think about him, though.
It has been announced, but I'm not sure it is that simple. Next year is Fisher's last year of his deal, and I can't imagine he is the type of guy willing to go into next year as a lame duck. It would not surprise me at all if some time in the next couple of weeks we hear word that he was offered an extension (the one year Chuck Pagano courtesy extension), turned it down, and the team and he decided to mutually part ways. I think this is the way his tenure ended in Tennessee.
I can't stand Fisher, but I think bringing him back may actually be a smart move by the Rams. If they do move the team, let him deal with the headache of the move (plus, he is a SoCal guy, which should help in the move). Get the team settled out there, then can him and bring in a guy to start 2017 fresh with the team up and running. If they don't move, see how the team starts, and if they start poorly then it doesn't cost much to dump him, and get started on the long term plan ahead of other teams.
Every couple of years, there is a real surprise among the firings. I think if the Packers go one-and-done this year in the playoffs, McCarthy gets fired.
Schwartz seemed like kind of a dick when he was coaching the Lions, unless you think Jim Harbaugh was the dick in their little postgame tiffs. Both? Whatever, BB, Kraft seem to be able to change people to the Patriot Way when they come in (Dillon, Moss).
Re Harbaugh v. Tomsula, read Tim Kawakami's Twitter timeline. He lays out that Tomsula was Jed and Baalke's guy inside Harbaugh's staff and presumably was rewarded for his loyalty to the people above the coach with Harbaugh's job.
The truth of this will probably be easily determined by looking at the next job Tomsula gets after he is done collecting Jed's money. He is widely acknowledged as a very good DLine coach, but being a rat might keep him from working on a quality staff. If he is forced to work for whomever the new coach is in Cleveland in 2018, we will know his reputation took a hit.
Of course, I could see someone like Carroll or Arians hiring him just because they have staffs full of retread coaches and would love his take on the Niners.
The truth of this will probably be easily determined by looking at the next job Tomsula gets after he is done collecting Jed's money. He is widely acknowledged as a very good DLine coach, but being a rat might keep him from working on a quality staff. If he is forced to work for whomever the new coach is in Cleveland in 2018, we will know his reputation took a hit.
Of course, I could see someone like Carroll or Arians hiring him just because they have staffs full of retread coaches and would love his take on the Niners.
Capers was brought in as a position coach under a recently-promoted-from-within coordinator. So if Patricia leaves, and Daly gets promoted, then Schwartz as a defensive line coach might make some sense. However, I view it as extremely unlikely the Pats would go outside the organization for a coordinator hire, especially one that is as poor a fit for what they traditionally do. However, it is inaccurate to say Schwartz has used a "bunch of schemes" because he hasn't; he's pretty much a 4-3, wide-9, pressure defense guy and has been since his time in TEN, through his tenure in DET and in BUF last season. He may have worked for Belichick two decades ago but he's become his "own man" in the interim and has been (defensively) effective doing so. Schwartz isn't a "game plan" coach and hasn't exhibited a willingness to mix schemes and philosophies at any job he's had in the past 15 years.
But you're correct that Schwartz harbors bigger ambitions than position coach and doesn't need to "rehab" his image (in wake of what Rex did to his defense in Buffalo), so I don't see what NE has to offer Schwartz. I think he's gonna end up the DC in (guessing) Cleveland where he can build another effective 4-3 scheme defense.
I bet both decline; clearly Tannenbaum is on a fact-finding mission and like Caserio last time, these two are not actual candidates to get actual decision-making authority, so why even bother interviewing?
i can't imagine Bill "Ownership Matters" Belichick recommending either of his lieutenants take a job working for the delusional Stephen Ross.
i can't imagine Bill "Ownership Matters" Belichick recommending either of his lieutenants take a job working for the delusional Stephen Ross.
Just throwing this tidbit from John Clayton here, because it's funny:
Chaos is everywhere in Cleveland, and that extends to the field. Center Alex Mack is expected to opt out of his contract to get with a winning team. Left tackle Joe Thomas, the team's best player, said, "If they bring in Mangini Part 2, I don't know if I want to be here. I've lived it."
Chaos is everywhere in Cleveland, and that extends to the field. Center Alex Mack is expected to opt out of his contract to get with a winning team. Left tackle Joe Thomas, the team's best player, said, "If they bring in Mangini Part 2, I don't know if I want to be here. I've lived it."
Quite true. But a Harbaugh couldn't find the high road with directions, a map, and GPS.
I'll grant your first point, but can I ask what makes you think Stephen Ross is delusional? He handled l'affaire Incognito fairly well, I thought, and he's indisputably a first-rate businessman, having not inherited or stolen his way to NFL-owner-grade wealth but actually making it himself with shrewd insights in the intersection of the tax and real estate worlds. I think he's much closer to being Kraft-level rational and even-tempered than he is to, say, the Yorks or the Halas/McCaskey cabal, much less crooks like Haslam or Jerrah. I can see Belichick not wanting to send his top men to a division rival, but I'm not sure the ownership situation would be his (or any interviewee's) primary worry.
Coughlin is not retiring, though.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 56s56 seconds ago
Coughlin decided to step down before Giants asked if he wanted to stay, per source. Coughlin will remain active, open to listening to teams.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 56s56 seconds ago
Coughlin decided to step down before Giants asked if he wanted to stay, per source. Coughlin will remain active, open to listening to teams.
If Coughlin goes somewhere else, does that mean that teams owes compensation to the Giants now?
???
They are undoubtedly grateful he decided to step down. In fact, they are probably paying him some portion of his last year.
There is no way they are holding some team up for the right to hire 69 year old Tom Coughlin
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora 1m1 minute ago
Would be very surprised if any coaches from the Pats got involved with the Dolphins coaching search.
Would be very surprised if any coaches from the Pats got involved with the Dolphins coaching search.
My buddy in New Orleans texted me that there's some talk of Payton to NYG.
As for Coughlin, I've long been a fan. Liked him when he worked for the Giants under Parcells, as the BC head coach, did a good job in Jax and won 2 Super Bowls coaching the Giants. If he wants to keep coaching, good luck and thank you.
As for Coughlin, I've long been a fan. Liked him when he worked for the Giants under Parcells, as the BC head coach, did a good job in Jax and won 2 Super Bowls coaching the Giants. If he wants to keep coaching, good luck and thank you.
This. It's the GM equivalent of Rex Ryan making one-week captains of players that used to play for his opponents during any given week.
I think Payton would be a great fit but I shudder at the compensation New Orleans would want.
Teams that continue to waste time on things like this are teams I don't generally worry about.
From ESPN:
Your mileage may vary on if that's too much.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-orleans-saints/post/_/id/20358/what-it-will-take-for-saints-sean-payton-to-part-ways
ETA: Belichick is on record as believing the most important thing about any NFL coaching job is the ownership situation.
The governor of (insert shitty state here) brags about his state anytime he's in front of a business or student audience, too. CEOs are first and foremost talent beacons. If Ross wasn't saying braggy things about how great an organization the Dolphins are, I'd think less of him than I do. The places with obvious on-field success or talent on the roster don't need to say anything; the places that lack that obvious success/talent have to get their voice out.
I don't believe that "There's no such thing as bad publicity", but there's certainly far worse publicity to be had than what that article merits. Maybe to us outsiders, such claims sound ridiculous, but to the various candidate insiders out there, maybe they're slightly more likely to now be curious about what makes him think they're so great. It at the very least can't hurt the cause, given that much of his competition is incompetent, meddling, foolish, and/or criminal.
I don't believe that "There's no such thing as bad publicity", but there's certainly far worse publicity to be had than what that article merits. Maybe to us outsiders, such claims sound ridiculous, but to the various candidate insiders out there, maybe they're slightly more likely to now be curious about what makes him think they're so great. It at the very least can't hurt the cause, given that much of his competition is incompetent, meddling, foolish, and/or criminal.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 13m13 minutes ago
From what I'm told, the meeting between Sean Payton and GM Mickey Loomis is over. Belief on why it took so long was compensation discussion.
From what I'm told, the meeting between Sean Payton and GM Mickey Loomis is over. Belief on why it took so long was compensation discussion.
