Because he sucks would be my guess as to what tims was shooting for. But I don't want to put words in his mouth. Just something else. Zing!
NFL Coaching Changes: Chips a'Hoy
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Maybe this has happened a lot before but I don't recall a HC surviving and that many of his assistants being canned.
"I would have done a bang up job last year if only I had better assistant coaches."
I don't know the circumstances and maybe Pagano inherited these guys or a lot of them.
But damn....
"I would have done a bang up job last year if only I had better assistant coaches."
I don't know the circumstances and maybe Pagano inherited these guys or a lot of them.
But damn....
So this guy guesses the Giants will try to hire Belichick and he might go! Seems like a good plan, except for the part where I, in turn, literally burn NYC* to the ground and then piss on their ashes.
http://ferrall.radio.cbssports.com/2016/01/06/why-bill-belichick-might-actually-want-new-york-giants-job/
*yes, yes, Jersey too.
http://ferrall.radio.cbssports.com/2016/01/06/why-bill-belichick-might-actually-want-new-york-giants-job/
*yes, yes, Jersey too.
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But it raises an interesting parlour game -- what would you consider acceptable in trade from the Giants for Belichick if the Maras have incriminating pictures of him and he were to force his way out of Foxboro? ODB and two firsts?
Edit: snowmanny beat me by a minute with the link.
But it raises an interesting parlour game -- what would you consider acceptable in trade from the Giants for Belichick if the Maras have incriminating pictures of him and he were to force his way out of Foxboro? ODB and two firsts?
Edit: snowmanny beat me by a minute with the link.
I would expect Kraft would ask for 2 drafts. Not 2 draft picks, 2 whole Giants drafts.
ODB, 2nd and 3rd this year, 1st and 2nd next year. If you get the first this year that is the one Roger will steal.
Which underscores the absurdity of this parlor game because the Giants are a sick team and Bill is adamant he won't be coaching in his 70s. He turns 64 in April and he'd be eating the poison pill.
This was raised on FAN Monday, and even Francesa laughed.
Wow. That is somewhat of a shock to me. Only two years, rebuilding that shitty roster, getting the franchise QB. I mean, 8-24 in those two seasons is lousy for sure, but you'd think a fairly established guy like Lovie would have gotten at least 3 seasons. Particularly with Jameis being in year 1. I wonder if they have in-roads on another HC (ahem, Coughlin?).
Keep in mind that Smith was hired by the Bucs before Licht was hired. My guess is Licht has now won the internal control battle and will get to pick his guy. Being a Belichick disciple and having a franchise-type QB screams hiring an offensive guru. The pieces fit and Tampa, like Tennessee, is in a weak division (Carolina notwithstanding) with a capable, young QB.
Glazer better have a gem in his back pocket; otherwise he's an idiot. Of course, that franchise has been a mess for some time now.
NFL owners are buffoons. This is the one professional sport, with only 8 home games a year and an avalanche of network money, in which you can afford to be really patient. But nooo ...
NFL owners are buffoons. This is the one professional sport, with only 8 home games a year and an avalanche of network money, in which you can afford to be really patient. But nooo ...
Mark Dominik @MarkdominikESPN 16m16 minutes ago
With Lovie Smith fired I would expect Dirk Koetter to be named head coach within the week. They still will interview a few other candidates
Wow. That is amazing. And brings up an interesting question: Who is
Dirk Koetter?
FAKE EDIT: TB OC
ESPN reporting that McDaniels (who is still only 39!) is interested in the Titans job. It makes some sense, especially if Josh thinks Mariota is the real deal.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14517732/josh-mcdaniels-new-england-patriots-interested-tennessee-titans-job
Maybe I'm being naive or a homer, but if I were Josh I would be hesitant before jumping ship again. He's one of the top paid assistants in the NFL (apparently roughly $1.5M/season), he probably has rock solid job security in a notoriously unpredictable league, and he gets to work with the GOAT Head Coach, the GOAT QB, and perhaps the GOAT TE.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14517732/josh-mcdaniels-new-england-patriots-interested-tennessee-titans-job
Maybe I'm being naive or a homer, but if I were Josh I would be hesitant before jumping ship again. He's one of the top paid assistants in the NFL (apparently roughly $1.5M/season), he probably has rock solid job security in a notoriously unpredictable league, and he gets to work with the GOAT Head Coach, the GOAT QB, and perhaps the GOAT TE.
What I'm hearing this morning on Tampa radio is that a couple teams were looking at Koetter. They weren't happy with Lovie's defense and decided to fire him it promote Koetter to not risk losing him and have Winston go backwards.
I imagine I am one of the only Bucs fans on this forum but the only shocking part is the timing. I live in Tampa and everyone I know basically just expected him to get fired next off season instead of this one. Lovie somehow gets a free pass with the national media but he is a really really bad coach. He showed no adaptability or willing to change his defensive scheme to fit his personnel. Of course, the defense was terrible and he constantly jettisoned better players to bring in Chicago retreads or guys off the scrap heap because they fit "his" system. The defense had the same issues throughout the year, most of which were just basic football (for instance, the Bucs got killed by fucking slant routes the entire year.)
He was terrible at clock and game management. Constantly never used timeouts in the 1st half but somehow drained all of them in the second half before they needed them. The team was undisciplined, got back breaking penalties at the worst times, and worst of all he didn't really seem to care (his post game conferences were just a cavalcade of excuses and nonsense).
An anecdote of just how clueless and stubborn Lovie is is the Redskins game this year. They were up 24-6 got the ball back with 1:20 left and had 3 timeouts left. Instead of going for the jugular, Lovie has Winston kneel the ball 3 straight times. Of course, the Bucs end up losing the game 31-30 (the game winning touchdown was, what else, a simple 5 yard slant route). In the press conference after, Lovie not only says it was the right decision at the time but that he would do it again! Can you imagine Bill Belichick standing up there and saying that after a loss?
I am hearing the same things as Soxfan in Fla on twitter and Tampa radio. I was really hoping they would go all out to get McDaniels using Licht's New England ties but it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that they are going to promote Koetter
So if TB is all in on the Welcome Back Koetter angle... they'll probably interview one of the darker complexion coaches on the staff first to satisfy the Rooney Rule and then announce Koetter's promotion.
That leaves 6 other open HC jobs. Anybody care to make some guesses?
I'm thinking:
Philly: Adam Gase
NY Giants: Doug Marrone
Cleveland: Teryl Austin
Miami: Hue Jackson
SF: Chip Kelly
Tennessee: Josh McDaniels
That leaves 6 other open HC jobs. Anybody care to make some guesses?
I'm thinking:
Philly: Adam Gase
NY Giants: Doug Marrone
Cleveland: Teryl Austin
Miami: Hue Jackson
SF: Chip Kelly
Tennessee: Josh McDaniels
Happened in San Diego this week. Of note, the other Pagano survived there as well.
http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2016/1/4/10712252/san-diego-chargers-announce-six-coaches-fired
Flip Miami and New York and I think you are right. I think HueJack knows he is the top coach on the market and is going to go with the best QB situation. I also think Ross is smart enough to know that HueJack and Tannenbaum will murder each other inside of 9 months.
Sean Payton is still very highly regarded by the Giants front office so Marrone to NYG makes sense. Especially if they buy in to the "he's a young Parcells" thing.
The Bucs are currently claiming that they will undergo a real coaching search. If this is actually true and not just lip service to comply with the Rooney Rule, they will bring in both McD and Patricia for interviews because of Licht's New England ties
I think you have the names right 86Spike, although it wouldn't shock me if Patricia took the Cleveland job. Their leaning towards numbers and analytics jibes with what we know of Patricia. I think Mike Loyko said on Twitter that Patricia helped bring Belichick into the 21st century.
But then again, it's Cleveland and he has a pretty sweet gig now
I think you have the names right 86Spike, although it wouldn't shock me if Patricia took the Cleveland job. Their leaning towards numbers and analytics jibes with what we know of Patricia. I think Mike Loyko said on Twitter that Patricia helped bring Belichick into the 21st century.
But then again, it's Cleveland and he has a pretty sweet gig now
Not sure where else to post - great article on Matt Patricia
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/01/matt_patricia_patriots_coach.html
http://blog.masslive.com/patriots/2016/01/matt_patricia_patriots_coach.html
Back to where he learned how to celebrate.
That's a HoF picture.[/QUOTE]
First glance it looked like LT was strong enough to hold BB and not let him get away, and pour the Gatorade bucket over him. Then you see Harry Carson has the bucket.
That's a HoF picture.[/QUOTE]
First glance it looked like LT was strong enough to hold BB and not let him get away, and pour the Gatorade bucket over him. Then you see Harry Carson has the bucket.
You would think Josh would be the heir apparent when BB retires to get the Pats job if he stuck around. He must have a sense that BB is still a number of years away from retiring which would likely coincide with Brady hanging it up as well.
Re. McDaniels and the Titans gig, I think it's really, really hard for these guys to be wooed year-in and year-out by other teams and not jump ship. Yes, it makes more sense to work for a stable organization where you have great job security. Yes, the loyalty of working for someone who threw you a lifeline at a time when others would not (shades of Belichick and Parcells after Cleveland?) is a powerful motivator.
But at a certain point, you have to remember that there are on 32 of these jobs in existence. And for every Romeo Crennel who has managed to turn his time in NE into a couple of HC gigs, there are hundreds more who never get that opportunity the first time, much less a second.
If I had to guess, we lose McD and keep Matty P, for whom this is his first HC rodeo.
But at a certain point, you have to remember that there are on 32 of these jobs in existence. And for every Romeo Crennel who has managed to turn his time in NE into a couple of HC gigs, there are hundreds more who never get that opportunity the first time, much less a second.
If I had to guess, we lose McD and keep Matty P, for whom this is his first HC rodeo.
Yes indeed. IND could easily end up at the bottom of that pile in the medium term, especially with geniuses Pagano and Grigson calling the shots.
That'd probably be an interesting thread: which one would we want to succeed BB? If we imagine that this happens in, say, 4 years, and Brady gives you a transition year to start out.
McD's HC experience would probably help him avoid some mistakes a first-timer like Patricia would make; at the same time, I've seen much better halftime adjustments coming out of our Defense (some of which, of course, is due to BB). On the third hand, who's going to identify, select and train Brady's heir? I really have no idea which of them I'd prefer.
The money is a big factor too. Even if McDaniels is making 1.5m/year now as the highest paid assistant in the league, he would easily double or triple that by taking a HC job. Tomsula was the lowest paid HC last year at $3.5m.
You only get a few bites at the apple, if you get one at all. McDaniels was a stupendous failure not only in Denver, but also as OC in St. Louis so he really only has his NE resume as positives. If some team wants to hire him as their Head Coach this year, I think he'd be crazy to say no.
I usually prefer defensive minded coaches as head coaches. I don't know if the numbers bear it out, but they seem to be more successful.
I would let McD walk and keep Patricia, then offer Brady a coaching gig when he retires.
Am I crazy to prefer MP over McD?
And I would expect that the "Brady Replacement" (or as close as a mortal can be) would be on the Roster and under going intensive BB and TB training for at least a year or two.
Would any of these guys (McD or MP) let their Ego allow a situation where BB was "Special Advisor"?
Kinda the Dante Scarnecchia (on steriods) plan?
I don't know, when teams hire people like the guy below, good grief, Josh is Bill Walsh by comparison.
