NFL Trade Deadline 11/3 4pm

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ESPN has thrown out a possible Calvin Johnson to New England move for a 2nd round pick possibly (It's a purely hypothetical rumor that they think makes sense, no news of this).  Obviously I'm sure that one wouldn't happen for various reasons.  We've got more important positions to upgrade then WR at the moment. 
 
Just curious to see what you guys might like to see or what realistically we could get by Tuesday.  I suppose this thread can be used to discuss non-Patriot moves as well. 
 
The teams that seem most likely to be selling are Chicago, Washington, Tampa, maybe Detroit....etc.
 
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Given the Pats injuries at OL and DB I wouldn't be surprised to see a small trade there.

As noted elsewhere, Chiefs and Texans might be good partners because they're (basically) out of it and have Belichick connections
 
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dynomite said:
Given the Pats injuries at OL and DB I wouldn't be surprised to see a small trade there.

As noted elsewhere, Chiefs and Texans might be good partners because they're (basically) out of it and have Belichick connections
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What is the remaining Belichick connection to KC since Pioli left?
 
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Forget Megatron. If the Pats ever trade for a wideout everyone knows it would be for Larry Fitzgerald.
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Andre Johnson is nearly here! He is no longer loyal to Houston, might as well make it happen. Won't even take Mallet.
 
edit: but no. OL or DB. And I'd probably put OL first. It is unclear what cannon, mason, and stork offer the rest of the year.
 
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Does anyone have a quick answer to how much cap space the Pats realistically could free up if they wanted to bring on someone with a significant contract?  i don't expect them to do so; just curious (spurred by Calvin Johnson talk, which I see as really really really unlikely)
 
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Two honest questions:
1) how many years ago did the Fitzgerald jokes start;, and 
2) when, if ever, will they end.
 
Also, the Patriots are not bringing on a $20M cap hit WR when they don't need a WR. They wouldn't even if they desperately needed a WR. Please, no more Calvin Johnson talk just because some dumb article thought it up.
 
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dbn said:
Two honest questions:
1) how many years ago did the Fitzgerald jokes start;, and 
2) when, if ever, will they end.
 
Also, the Patriots are not bringing on a $20M cap hit WR when they don't need a WR. They wouldn't even if they desperately needed a WR. Please, no more Calvin Johnson talk just because some dumb article thought it up.
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100% agree. It's totally unreasonable that they would trade for Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson when they could just sign Randy Moss.
 
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There's no way we'd take that kind of hit to the cap which means if any kind of trade like that happened, it would mean a contract would have to be restructured.  Question is would guys like Johnson or Fitzgerald be desperate enough to win a superbowl to forfeit the kind of money it would take?
 
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Why would the Cards deal Fitz?
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Part of a five-way...
 
Red Sox give up:  Matt Barnes, Deven Marrero, Garin Cecchini, JBJ, Panda, $25MM
Red Sox get:  Giancarlo Stanton
 
Marlins give up:  Giancarlo Stanton
Marlins get:  Barnes, Marrero, JBJ, Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, $5MM
 
Cardinals give up:  Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, Larry Fitzgerald
Cardinals get:  Garin Cecchini, Ryan Mallet, Pats 2nd Rounder, Panda, $15MM
 
Pats give up:  2nd Rounder, 6th Rounder
Pats receive:  Larry Fitzgerald
 
Texans give up:  Ryan Mallet
Texans receive:  Pats 6th Rounder
 
Key is the Cardinals, who have needs in football and baseball.
 
Was all perfect until Mallet went and got himself cut.
 
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Sign Mallett, trade Garoppolo for what we need. Garop's a good value trading chip and either QB will end up sitting behind Brady anyway
 
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Part of a five-way...
 
Red Sox give up:  Matt Barnes, Deven Marrero, Garin Cecchini, JBJ, Panda, $25MM
Red Sox get:  Giancarlo Stanton
 
Marlins give up:  Giancarlo Stanton
Marlins get:  Barnes, Marrero, JBJ, Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, $5MM
 
Cardinals give up:  Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, Larry Fitzgerald
Cardinals get:  Garin Cecchini, Ryan Mallet, Pats 2nd Rounder, Panda, $15MM
 
Pats give up:  2nd Rounder, 6th Rounder
Pats receive:  Larry Fitzgerald
 
Texans give up:  Ryan Mallet
Texans receive:  Pats 6th Rounder
 
Key is the Cardinals, who have needs in football and baseball.
 
Was all perfect until Mallet went and got himself cut.
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This is the best trade proposal in SOSH history.
 
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Sign Mallett, trade Garoppolo for what we need. Garop's a good value trading chip and either QB will end up sitting behind Brady anyway
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Mallet gets nowhere close to the NEP. BB would not give him the keys to the outhouse. Let alone the offense. The guy missed a team charter to a game. JFC.
 
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Mallet gets nowhere close to the NEP. BB would not give him the keys to the outhouse. Let alone the offense. The guy missed a team charter to a game. JFC.
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Blount walked out on his team during a game and was promptly signed by the pats upon release. I think Mallet sucking donkey balls has more to do with him never suiting up for BB again than anything else.
 
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And the WR talk is just insane. Offense not potent enough for you? Pass catchers lacking ?? Ask the Washington Nationals about over-investing in one part of a team (starting pitching) while other parts (bullpen and bench) are under-invested in. And they play in an uncapped sport.
 
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Blount walked out on his team during a game and was promptly signed by the pats upon release. I think Mallet sucking donkey balls has more to do with him never suiting up for BB again than anything else.
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One is a QB, another a RB, which is to say, fungible. Night and day.
 
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And the WR talk is just insane. Offense not potent enough for you? Pass catchers lacking ?? Ask the Washington Nationals about over-investing in one part of a team (starting pitching) while other parts (bullpen and bench) are under-invested in. And they play in an uncapped sport.
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I was under the impression 90% of this thread was tongue in cheek. If I'm wrong then I'm with you. Total insanity.
 
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Was the DFP article linked to tongue-in-cheek? If so, I withdraw the comment.
 
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dcmissle said:
Mallet gets nowhere close to the NEP. BB would not give him the keys to the outhouse. Let alone the offense. The guy missed a team charter to a game. JFC.
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Yeah, did you see the reaction from Brady when asked in the last WEEI interview if Mallet was a knucklehead in New England? And that was from someone who is usuly very diplomatic. Mallet was traded for a reason.
 
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Yeah, did you see the reaction from Brady when asked in the last WEEI interview if Mallet was a knucklehead in New England? And that was from someone who is usuly very diplomatic. Mallet was traded for a reason.
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I must have missed this. Can you paraphrase?
 
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Part of a five-way...
 
Red Sox give up:  Matt Barnes, Deven Marrero, Garin Cecchini, JBJ, Panda, $25MM
Red Sox get:  Giancarlo Stanton
 
Marlins give up:  Giancarlo Stanton
Marlins get:  Barnes, Marrero, JBJ, Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, $5MM
 
Cardinals give up:  Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, Larry Fitzgerald
Cardinals get:  Garin Cecchini, Ryan Mallet, Pats 2nd Rounder, Panda, $15MM
 
Pats give up:  2nd Rounder, 6th Rounder
Pats receive:  Larry Fitzgerald
 
Texans give up:  Ryan Mallet
Texans receive:  Pats 6th Rounder
 
Key is the Cardinals, who have needs in football and baseball.
 
Was all perfect until Mallet went and got himself cut.
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Jnai said:
This is the best trade proposal in SOSH history.
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Certainly the most plausible.
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Agreed on all counts
 
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Part of a five-way...
 
Red Sox give up:  Matt Barnes, Deven Marrero, Garin Cecchini, JBJ, Panda, $25MM
Red Sox get:  Giancarlo Stanton
 
Marlins give up:  Giancarlo Stanton
Marlins get:  Barnes, Marrero, JBJ, Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, $5MM
 
Cardinals give up:  Carlos Martinez, Honey Badger, Larry Fitzgerald
Cardinals get:  Garin Cecchini, Ryan Mallet, Pats 2nd Rounder, Panda, $15MM
 
Pats give up:  2nd Rounder, 6th Rounder
Pats receive:  Larry Fitzgerald
 
Texans give up:  Ryan Mallet
Texans receive:  Pats 6th Rounder
 
Key is the Cardinals, who have needs in football and baseball.
 
Was all perfect until Mallet went and got himself cut.
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Incredible. Laughed out loud.
 
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Extremely hard to believe Pats want to pay Joe Thomas $10 mil a year for next couple (or that Thomas would take a paycut) given that Solder is already signed for those years at similar cap numbers and is effectively uncuttable cap-wise ($14 mil dead money if cut next year).
 
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Is Joe Thomas any good and what would people think the price would be?
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Probably a lot.  He's probably still a top 10, maybe top 5 LT.  The nice thing for the Browns is, according to OTC, they won't take a big dead money hit trading them ($1.2M for Thomas, nothing for Mack).
 
I wish the Seahawks had the cap space to pick up one or both.
 
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Oh boy, I'd love to see what Mingo would do under Bill and Patricia. Imagine him, Collins, Hightower, and Jones on the field at the same time.

@RapSheet: True also RT @MaryKayCabot: #Browns have made it known they're willing to trade LB Barkevious Mingo, their 2013 first-round pick
 
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Possible Thomas has told the team he's tired of the clownshow and will start to say so if they don't move him to a legit team.   He is the kind of guy who also seems like he could threaten to retire and be credible---among other evidence, didn't he skip the draft because he preferred to be hunting with his family that weekend?
 
As for Browns more generally, I suppose you could conclude the roster just needs to be blown up and even the good players have developed bad habits/attitudes/preconceptions and you're better off accumulating assets and cap room and just letting the next GM build.  But it does seem odd to be moving guys like Thomas, Mack, and Mingo even if that is your theory.
 
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I really don't get Thomas. He's very good, isn't overpriced, not particularly old, and plays a very important position.
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Given the Soldier injury this would be an excellent move. However it's not a Belichick one given that he likes to draft and sign lineman as UDFAs. Haden would be good. I think this team is good as is but I also believe if an upgrade over butler is on the market it needs to be the top priority.
 
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Given the Soldier injury this would be an excellent move. However it's not a Belichick one given that he likes to draft and sign lineman as UDFAs. Haden would be good. I think this team is good as is but I also believe if an upgrade over butler is on the market it needs to be the top priority.
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I agree if they can get a LT upgrade for the rest of the year, that's a great move. I think it would have to involve having Thomas for the stretch run and then trading him in the offseason. I think he costs a lot - maybe even a 2nd round pick.

The notion that BB doesn't draft lineman and therefore wouldn't be interested in Thomas is so wrong that I'm going to assume you're kidding. Edit: misread the post above

I don't think Butler is the guy to be upgraded. Butler gets a lot less help than Coleman and Logan Ryan and guards better players. Perhaps whoever you trade for pushes Butler to #2 or slot corner depending on the matchup.

Between Joe Thomas and a top corner like Joe Haden - all else equal I agree corner improves the team more but I'd be pretty thrilled with Joe Thomas.
 
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I agree if they can get a LT upgrade for the rest of the year, that's a great move. I think it would have to involve having Thomas for the stretch run and then trading him in the offseason. I think he costs a lot - maybe even a 2nd round pick.

The notion that BB doesn't draft lineman and therefore wouldn't be interested in Thomas is so wrong that I'm going to assume you're kidding.

I don't think Butler is the guy to be upgraded. Butler gets a lot less help than Coleman and Logan Ryan and guards better players. Perhaps whoever you trade for pushes Butler to #2 or slot corner depending on the matchup.

Between Joe Thomas and a top corner like Joe Haden - all else equal I agree corner improves the team more but I'd be pretty thrilled with Joe Thomas.
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Please tell me the last big name tackle or olineman from another team that Bill has brought in? I'd be thrilled with him I just don't think it's realistic.
 
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Please tell me the last big name tackle or olineman from another team that Bill has brought in? I'd be thrilled with him I just don't think it's realistic.
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I read your post as "Bill only likes to get lineman as UDFA's" but I see now that's not what you meant. That's what I was responding to -- we both agree BB likes to draft lineman.

Yes, he's never done it before but he's also never had to. They've been very healthy or had injuries at convenient times (Light with Solder in the fold) his entire tenure.
 
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Brian Waters? 
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He was toward the end of the road but I'll give you Waters. Still about 4 years ago. He strongly prefers developing a guy like Fleming, trading for a end of the roster lineman or drafting a guy in the first or second round than trading for a guy like Thomas. But I would love to see Thomas and or Haden
 
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Tyrone Biggums said:
He was toward the end of the road but I'll give you Waters. Still about 4 years ago. He strongly prefers developing a guy like Fleming, trading for a end of the roster lineman or drafting a guy in the first or second round than trading for a guy like Thomas. But I would love to see Thomas and or Haden
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Waters was a special case, as he was cut near the start of the season. It also wasn't a trade, rather a simple workout & sign situation. The price was also rather reasonable at 2 years/$5.5m (in 2011 cap dollars). 
 
Joe Haden has an albatross/monster contract (5 years/$67.5m/$22.6m gtd). He has been a huge disappointment just 2 years into the contract and has $21m dead cap. I doubt anyone would be thrilled at getting Haden at any price, unless the contract is redone. It is crippling unless the CB turns a corner.
 
Joe Thomas is a much better deal, but BB never is a huge spender at the OL. Despite nice deals to Vollmer and Solder, NE is only 24th in total cap spending at the position group at $14.5m minus Solder. If you include him at $5.6m, it still puts them just over $20m, 12th in the league. (Compare this to to the Jets, #1 at $33.6m):
 
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/offensive-line
 
Of course, I'd be absolutely thrilled at getting someone like Thomas, but when was the last time BB traded for a "star" at face value (no, not Moss), as a rental, and at an OL to boot? And why would Thomas redo the contract and take a pay cut?
 
Alex Mack would have been an awesome signing back in 2014, but that was before getting Stork and now getting an average NFL starter out of Andrews (really out of nowhere.) Mack is getting $8m as a center, and another $8m each for the next 3 (although no dead cap after 2015).
 
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