So, then, the lede should be, "Cleveland wants it to be known they are absolutely willing to foist all of their unwise signings on anyone willing to give them something great in return."
NFL Trade Deadline 11/3 4pm
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ipol said:
Well, I think it depends on how desperate you are. The reason why you hear Seattle linked to both Browns already is due to the horrific OL play, specially as a pass blocking unit (but how much is that on Russell?). You can see why they're already putting out a feeler for trading one of their (decidedly average) WR depth to clear some room.
The problem is, at least according to Spotrac, Seattle has the least cap room of any team at only $1.6m. Pats have $4.2m or so.
Edit: I think Browns are looking at the Jets and seeing how quickly a team can turn around by clearing as much cap space as possible and stockpile picks (ala Idzik).
This will most definitely coincide with a wholesale front office change -- only reason why Cleveland is letting go two of their cornerstone players with the 3rd most cap space in the league at $23m+.
Although a guard is a position I don't see BB trading for, someone like Alex Boone may make more sense than a Staley. Boone has a $3.7m cap hit and that'd be prorated by the remaining games if traded.
Boone's also 28 this year, compared to the 31 year old Staley. He can play both sides of the line (was moved from RG to LG this year). He has had contract disputes with the 49ers before start of the camp, a possible yellow flag for NE.
Boone's also 28 this year, compared to the 31 year old Staley. He can play both sides of the line (was moved from RG to LG this year). He has had contract disputes with the 49ers before start of the camp, a possible yellow flag for NE.
Two trade ideas from Reiss: http://espn.go.com/blog/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4787007/detailing-how-jets-sparked-nfl-inquiry-of-patriots-employees-during-game
Cooper is an interesting case as he played WR most of his career. Had a very good 2013 but has been relegated to the ST after fading (playing the ST is not a minus, of course). It's the classic depth/ST/flyer move that you can see BB make.
Jason McCourty though, do we know he's any good? PFF's Cover Snaps/Reception rate (one of the better stats there) has him at a paltry #111 out of 115 players with 25% snaps played in 2014 (ironically, Marcus Cooper ranks right above him at #110).
One of the reasons why the Titans didn't miss him the first 3 games this year is, well, McCourty is not already better than anyone else on that roster. At $7m base, I think it'd be disaster to give up anymore than a 6th, if at all given the quality of his play.
With the strong safety play masking the corners, in tandem with Logan Ryan starting to play a bit more like his rookie year, I'm not sure if there's any value in getting a corner (minus Sean Smith at a low rounder).
I'd much rather grab an OL depth like Boone.
Cooper is an interesting case as he played WR most of his career. Had a very good 2013 but has been relegated to the ST after fading (playing the ST is not a minus, of course). It's the classic depth/ST/flyer move that you can see BB make.
Jason McCourty though, do we know he's any good? PFF's Cover Snaps/Reception rate (one of the better stats there) has him at a paltry #111 out of 115 players with 25% snaps played in 2014 (ironically, Marcus Cooper ranks right above him at #110).
One of the reasons why the Titans didn't miss him the first 3 games this year is, well, McCourty is not already better than anyone else on that roster. At $7m base, I think it'd be disaster to give up anymore than a 6th, if at all given the quality of his play.
With the strong safety play masking the corners, in tandem with Logan Ryan starting to play a bit more like his rookie year, I'm not sure if there's any value in getting a corner (minus Sean Smith at a low rounder).
I'd much rather grab an OL depth like Boone.
Reiss said on TV today that BB said that he didn't foresee either Stork or Andrews being able to play Guard -- he said that they're Centers only. Anyone think that we could see one of the two dealt (as Stork is due to come off IR soon)? Is so, what would the return look like?
A value trade proposal: Will Blackmon of the Redskins. He signed short money at only $0.8m and is a UFA in 2016. He's 31 years old this year.
Only allowing 14.9 snaps per reception, good for 15th in the league. He was cut by the Seahawks before joining the Snyders at the start of this season. No off the field issues, and generally considered a good locker room guy.
Another plus for Blackmon is that he can play both safety and the corner. Cheap, versatile, committed veteran pickup sounds like a BB trade deal to me.
Only allowing 14.9 snaps per reception, good for 15th in the league. He was cut by the Seahawks before joining the Snyders at the start of this season. No off the field issues, and generally considered a good locker room guy.
Another plus for Blackmon is that he can play both safety and the corner. Cheap, versatile, committed veteran pickup sounds like a BB trade deal to me.
Ferm Sheller said:
With Stork's injury issues, I would think they hang on to both. They are both extremely young and cost-controlled, and centers don't fetch much in return. I don't see any value coming back, and there's no need to trade either.
Skins are incredibly tied for 2nd place in the NFC Least, which will probably be won by an 8-8 team.SeoulSoxFan said:
Wouldn't expect them to trade anyone meaningful.
Regarding BB and O-linemen, who was the college lineman Bill was absolutely in love with. Ended up being a top 5 pick by the Raiders I believe and washing out. Not wholly relevant but just bothering me.
Robert Gallery
Edit: and the pats actually signed him in a couple years ago and he retired during training camp
Edit: and the pats actually signed him in a couple years ago and he retired during training camp
Denver gets Vernon Davis from 49ers for 2 late round picks. They swap 6th and 7th round picks this year and get SF's 6th in 2017.
RedOctober3829 said:
deal is reportedly:
Davis plus SF's 2016 7th round pick
for:
Denver's 2016 6th round pick and 2017 6th round pick
[BTW: the Niners' 2016 7th round pick will be less than 10 spots after Denver's 6th rounder, most likely]
“There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.” - GW Bush
Copied tweet is below.
Copied tweet is below.
San Diego denies S Eric Weddle is available as a trade. If the Patriots didn't have a dozen safeties already, I'd be thrilled to have him on our roster.
Browns' Joe Thomas declines to waive his no-trade clause. I wonder if that'll significantly lower Cleveland's asking price, and if Thomas would waive it for a title contender like the Patriots.
Browns' Joe Thomas declines to waive his no-trade clause. I wonder if that'll significantly lower Cleveland's asking price, and if Thomas would waive it for a title contender like the Patriots.
Two possible cap implications from @patscap:
On Weddle:
@patscap If a team trades for Eric Weddle, they would become responsible for 9/17ths of 7.5m salary or $3,970,588. UFA after this year.
On Mingo:
@patscap If team trades for Barkeviois Mingo, become obligated for 9/17ths of 585K salary or $309,706. 2016 salary+roster bonus(2.6m total) fully gtd.
@patscap Barkevious Mingo has an option for the 2017 season. Value=2016 transition tag for Linebackers.
On Weddle:
@patscap If a team trades for Eric Weddle, they would become responsible for 9/17ths of 7.5m salary or $3,970,588. UFA after this year.
On Mingo:
@patscap If team trades for Barkeviois Mingo, become obligated for 9/17ths of 585K salary or $309,706. 2016 salary+roster bonus(2.6m total) fully gtd.
@patscap Barkevious Mingo has an option for the 2017 season. Value=2016 transition tag for Linebackers.
Ed Hillel said:
Getting Mingo would be a coup, even if it's on a position group of strength. Couldn't you see BB putting him in situations where he could better utilize his talents?
Would Browns take a 4th?
Mingo traded to an actual NFL team? Him and Thomas would be amazing pickups. Whatever it takes this year. I would love to see Roger have to give this team the trophy 2 years in a row.SeoulSoxFan said:
Unless he is not actually talented. He is clearly athletic and was productive in college, but this wouldn't be the first time a player like that just didn't pan out in the NFL. Maybe you are right and he just is in a bad system for him, but I'm generally skeptical of guys with that type of draft perigee that have done zero this far into their career. Regardless of system.SeoulSoxFan said:
No one knows. He's been in the league for a few seasons and is an athletic freak. However maybe he just isn't in a good system it happens. The Browns haven't exactly picked well or developed young draft picks. It's a crap shoot but I'm willing to bet a 4th or 5th rounder on his athletic upside. If it works out I could see the Pats deploying him like Seattle did with Irvin.Super Nomario said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
I'm with TB here. The knock on Collins coming out was that he's raw and his impact was not easy to project. By all accounts Mingo was a better regarded prospect with a higher upside as a "freakish" athlete (Collins and Mingo were both drafted in 2013).
Is there a lot of concerns as to whether he'll ever pan out? Yes. If those concerns weren't there, Mingo would not be on the block so soon after getting picked 6th overall.
Michael Lombardi, who (apparently) had a hand in bringing both Sheard & Lewis into the fold, was hired by the Browns before the 2013 draft. He should have a very good idea about who Mingo could be in the NE system.
Depth is always a good thing so a guy like Mingo could have value as an insurance policy, even if he's still a work in progress.
But if the Pats have to choose (and I know they don't, really), I would rather they focus on CB and OL. I see those as two potential problem areas, with the former being the bigger concern.
But if the Pats have to choose (and I know they don't, really), I would rather they focus on CB and OL. I see those as two potential problem areas, with the former being the bigger concern.
Needs: OL, CB
Wants: value at any position
So Mingo might be a nice get. Really could use another OL - especially a tackle. No idea who might be available. Mankins is a name being bandied about. But Tampa is actually a team on the rise so I'm not sure what could work there.
Wants: value at any position
So Mingo might be a nice get. Really could use another OL - especially a tackle. No idea who might be available. Mankins is a name being bandied about. But Tampa is actually a team on the rise so I'm not sure what could work there.
Didn't the Patriots just use a third-rounder on a guy like this in Geneo Grissom?Tyrone Biggums said:
Sure, and the last 2.5 years have shown that that evaluation was dead wrong, because Jamie Collins is one of the five best players from that draft and Mingo can't get any run on a team that has the 8th-worst sack rate in the NFL.SeoulSoxFan said:
On the plus side, Mingo does play a lot of special teams - he's played 178 snaps on special teams and just 112 on defense. I don't know if he's good there, but maybe he's worth a 6th or 7th as a special teamer / developmental prospect.
Why would they even trade for Mankins? Is the difference between him and Kline/Mason worth a draft pick at this point? They need OT help, the interior is fine.Stitch01 said:
Speaking of, apparently Denver offered a 1st rounder to Browns for Joe Thomas.rodderick said:
Glad he's not waiving his no-trade.
Super Nomario said:
Can't argue with either point SN. I think this qualifies as a buy-low situation with a high-upside.
Didn't know he played so many ST plays -- makes it even better if Browns can swallow hard and let him go for a low-rounder.
Schefter said this morning that he can't see the Lions dealing Calvin Johnson to Patriots "for something like a 2nd and a 4th", but you never know. Said coaches and GMs are simply loathe to deal talented players when they are trying to keep their jobs. Dealing for picks that the guy that replaces you gets to use makes no sense.
Would be nice, but similar to the speculation on Mankins, they're alright at safety. This team has needs at CB and OT, and considering they'll be entering the draft without a first and fourth round picks, I'd focus my trade capital on those two positions, unless an absolute steal of a deal presents itself, which seems doubtful.RedOctober3829 said:
It would be nice, but with the way that dmc, chung and harmon are playing, is that a need in a year where draft picks will be precious?RedOctober3829 said:
Megatron to Pats won't happen but if it did it would probably be the biggest fuck you move sent to the league
Rumor in Denver is that Cleveland also wanted Shaq Barrett and that is why the trade fell through.SeoulSoxFan said:
Tyrone Biggums said:
There's no reason for the Pats to trade for him, but good god could you imagine. Megatron, Gronk, Edelman, Chandler/LaFell/Amendola, and Lewis all out there at the same time?
Could Mankins play LT again? He's done it in the past.rodderick said:
Could a Weddle trade mean DMC plays more corner? Would that be a net upgrade?
Don't get it either, unless they plan to move McCourty to CB full time. That would be a bit of head scratcher AFAIK.
From what I've read, the issue with Thomas to the Broncos is cap room, and the Browns asking for S. Barrett in addition to the Broncos 1st rounder. If I'm the Browns I want more than the Broncos low #1 for a top 10 (top 5?) LT signed to a reasonable deal. And it's not like they have to deal him now or never.
From what I've read, the issue with Thomas to the Broncos is cap room, and the Browns asking for S. Barrett in addition to the Broncos 1st rounder. If I'm the Browns I want more than the Broncos low #1 for a top 10 (top 5?) LT signed to a reasonable deal. And it's not like they have to deal him now or never.