Red Sox Deadline Discussion

[Red(s)HawksFan]

 
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/494577631783026688
 
Hilarious.  What plan is that, John?  The one that drove the team straight into the ALE cellar?  Give me a break.

 
It can't be all that different from the plan that drove the team right from the cellar to the World Series a year ago.
 
Can we pull back on the histrionics a bit?  Ben hasn't and isn't killing this team.  Injuries and below average performances on the field have done that.

 

[TomRicardo]

Return on Doubront is a player to be named later, a "low level prospect after the rule 5 draft" per ESPN.
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11286916/felix-doubront-traded-chicago-cubs-boston-red-sox

 
Best guess is Kevin Encarnacion

 

[Jaylach]

Since when does the GM need a vote of confidence from the manager? 

 
When a front office bills itself as one cohesive unit operating in unison, having buy in from all parties is a vital part to success. 

 

[rodderick]

 
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/494577631783026688
 
Hilarious.  What plan is that, John?  The one that drove the team straight into the ALE cellar?  Give me a break.

 
If this is how the rest of the season is going to be, I might need to take a SoSH vacation.

 

[Bergs]

Really? Because I was under this wild impression that it was the team on field crapping the bed that drove them to the bottom of the standings. 

 
Seriously. No one - and I mean NO ONE - thought X was going to be a complete piece of shit and that Pedroia would have a flat-out awful season. That's what - a 5-win swing? 6? More?
 
As fun as it was to blame AJP, we have fairly conclusive proof at this point that he wasn't necessary for this team to shit down its collective leg.

 

[Dogman]

 
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/494577631783026688
 
Hilarious.  What plan is that, John?  The one that drove the team straight into the ALE cellar?  Give me a break.

 
What's hilarious is that you actually believe management has no plan in place roughly 10 MONTHS AFTER WINNING THE WORLD SERIES. 

 

[mabrowndog]

#RedSox have shifted AAA RHP Anthony Ranaudo to start on Friday, which would be same day as John Lackey.
 
https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/494571054426505216

 
This has NOTHING to do with Lackey or Boston. Pawtucket is having Edwin Escobar start tomorrow (originally scheduled for Friday), so now they've moved Ranaudo back a day.

 

[DJnVa]

 
This has NOTHING to do with Lackey or Boston.
 

 
We don't need your kind here.

 

[Jaylach]

 
The manager is not part of the front office. He works for them. It's nice they value his input but it's not up to Cherington et al to get a pat on the back from their employee. 

 
Well, sure... but I highly doubt JF was going out of his way to pat Ben on the back. Most likely he was asked what he thought about Ben's plans considering their lack of success this year. 

 

[Bosoxen]

 
The manager is not part of the front office. He works for them. It's nice they value his input but it's not up to Cherington et al to get a pat on the back from their employee. 

 
So you wouldn't stick up for your boss in the face of unjust criticism, particularly when asked directly?

 

[Jaylach]

 
Hilarious.  What plan is that, John?  The one that drove the team straight into the ALE cellar?  Give me a break.

 
I think a lines open on WEEI.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

 
What's hilarious is that you actually believe management has no plan in place roughly 10 MONTHS AFTER WINNING THE WORLD SERIES. 

 
World Series banners carry no weight around here. Try to keep up.
 

 
The manager is not part of the front office. He works for them. It's nice they value his input but it's not up to Cherington et al to get a pat on the back from their employee. 

 
He was being quoted which probably means he was asked a question. Is he supposed to refuse comment? I don't get your objection...

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

 
I think a lines open on WEEI.

 
Even if it's not, keep trying. At least until Friday.

 

[Yaz4Ever]

 
So you wouldn't stick up for your boss in the face of unjust criticism, particularly when asked directly?

Absolutely, especially when you have knowledge of things that might piss off those voicing criticism even more (ie - trading Lester for less than some have wishfully speculated, etc).

 

[wine111]

How does Steven Drew and Clay Buchholz for Matt Kemp at 50% of his salary sound?

 

[DJnVa]

How does Steven Drew and Clay Buchholz for Matt Kemp at 50% of his salary sound?

 
Do they bench Hanley Ramirez in this scenario?

 

[foulkehampshire]

How does Steven Drew and Clay Buchholz for Matt Kemp at 50% of his salary sound?

 
Like a funny joke.

 

[ScubaSteveAvery]

That sounds like Brock Holt will be anchoring our staff.

Can we keep wild trade ideas in a separate thread please?

 

[Harry Hooper]

 
1. What's he supposed to say? "We're a ship without a rudder! Launch the lifeboats!"
2. Having a shitty year does not mean the team should completely abandon their plan and start from scratch. Suggesting they are without a viable plan is a bit ridiculous.

 
 
1) True
2) Somehow I don't think the plan was to trade away 4/5 of the starting rotation.
 
They thought AJP was the Jonah, but no change of fortunes so far.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

 
 
1) True
2) Somehow I don't think the plan was to trade away 4/5 of the starting rotation.

 
Specifically? No. But if the plan was to transition to a new young core for the "next great Red Sox team" then a reasonable response to how the first half of this season has played out would be to cash in on Lester and Lackey while their value is high and their long term roles on the team are, at the very least, heavily in question. Refusing to deviate from one set course is not the same as having a plan.

 

[wine111]

That sounds like Brock Holt will be anchoring our staff.

Can we keep wild trade ideas in a separate thread please?

If you want to tweak it fine.  Keep in mind Clay's struggles and the Dodgers willing to unload Kemp.  Buchholz is an anchor all right, in the wrong sense, but may be ok in big ballparks in N.L. West.  Hardly a "wild" trade rumor. There is potential.  

 

[DJnVa]

If you want to tweak it fine.  Keep in mind Clay's struggles and the Dodgers willing to unload Kemp.  Buchholz is an anchor all right, in the wrong sense, but may be ok in big ballparks in N.L. West.  Hardly a "wild" trade rumor. There is potential.  

 
It's wild in the sense that the Dodgers don't need a SS.

 

[rodderick]

If you want to tweak it fine.  Keep in mind Clay's struggles and the Dodgers willing to unload Kemp.  Buchholz is an anchor all right, in the wrong sense, but may be ok in big ballparks in N.L. West.  Hardly a "wild" trade rumor. There is potential.  

 
Dude, let it go. 

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

If you want to tweak it fine.  Keep in mind Clay's struggles and the Dodgers willing to unload Kemp.  Buchholz is an anchor all right, in the wrong sense, but may be ok in big ballparks in N.L. West.  Hardly a "wild" trade rumor. There is potential.  

 
 

 
It's wild in the sense that the Dodgers don't need a SS.

 
And that there's not a single report out there that the Red Sox are making any effort to trade Buchholz or Drew.
 
"Wild trade speculation" is giving that post too much credit.

 

[TomRicardo]

If you want to tweak it fine.  Keep in mind Clay's struggles and the Dodgers willing to unload Kemp.  Buchholz is an anchor all right, in the wrong sense, but may be ok in big ballparks in N.L. West.  Hardly a "wild" trade rumor. There is potential.  

 
Wine111, what you have just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

 

[wine111]

 
Do they bench Hanley Ramirez in this scenario?

Drew can quality defensive backup at short or third in case of injury.  Dodgers have the large ballpark that can help a struggling pitcher regain confidence.  With Clay's talent, the might think him worth the risk and he's cost controlled.  Kemp perfect for Fenway.

 

[wine111]

 
Wine111, what you have just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Overblown nonsense. 

 

[rodderick]

Overblown nonsense. 

 
An adequate response to you tripling down on that trade proposal, then.

 

[MakMan44]

The Red Sox are encountering some skepticism from trade partners that John Lackey will play for the league minimum rate next year, as provided by his contract.

 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/tradedeadline_140730/mlb-david-price-likely-staying-tampa-bay-rays

 

[foulkehampshire]

Drew can quality defensive backup at short or third in case of injury.  .

 
For that kind of money? No. Also, he's not a 3B.
 

Dodgers have the large ballpark that can help a struggling pitcher regain confidence.

 

If Clay keeps grooving fastballs and walking everybody that hardly matters. He's not going to get it done until he fixes what's wrong with his head. Putting him in a bigger park isn't gonna help that.
 
 

With Clay's talent, the might think him worth the risk and he's cost controlled. 

 
He's worse than everybody in that rotation. Even the shells of Beckett, Maholm, Haren. Clay is one of the worst SP in baseball right now - his value has never been lower.
 
 

Kemp perfect for Fenway.

 
Wrong again. He has no defensive value, his athleticism has been robbed by injuries, and he's not even a pull-hitter - so the wall will probably take away more than it gives. He's basically been a replacement player for 21 mil (so far) in 2014.

 

[Clears Cleaver]

hunter Harvey is hurt, elbow strain and out for the year. so if the Sox are trading with Baltimore, it better be Bundy or Gausman...

 

[Al Zarilla]

hunter Harvey is hurt, elbow strain and out for the year. so if the Sox are trading with Baltimore, it better be Bundy or Gausman...

The Bundy murdering the opposition hitters talk on SOSH might be worth it. 

 

[Plympton91]

I don't know and maybe just the wording of "our support" bugged me. Who is the "we" there, the coaching staff? The team as a whole? I don't really have issue with his response so much. Maybe I wonder why the question was even asked? Every where you turn BC is getting undercut that he is a puppet for LL and a question like that and that response maybe is another cut, that it's more important what the managers opinion is.

I don't know. It just rubbed me a but wrong, most probably irrationally. I'll cop to that without feeling too bad given the state of emotional control around here lately.

 
Given the supposedly special relationship between Farrell and Lester, a reporter may have asked him what he though of losing not only his ace but someone who is apparently also a close personal friend.

 

[mauidano]

Return on Doubront is a player to be named later, a "low level prospect after the rule 5 draft" per ESPN.
 
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11286916/felix-doubront-traded-chicago-cubs-boston-red-sox

 

[jacklamabe65]

You know, it would be incredibly ironic if Felix D were the only one traded and Jon L and Lackey were still on the Red Sox on August 1st. When all is said and done, that might well happen - thanks to cold feet on the part of other ML teams.

 

[Harry Hooper]

 
Specifically? No. But if the plan was to transition to a new young core for the "next great Red Sox team" then a reasonable response to how the first half of this season has played out would be to cash in on Lester and Lackey while their value is high and their long term roles on the team are, at the very least, heavily in question. Refusing to deviate from one set course is not the same as having a plan.

 
Before he departed, Theo talked about making the team younger and more dynamic, and that's fine. Comments by Farrell and others earlier this year, however, suggest they are going to aggressively introduce multiple young players each season. There's quite a risk of force-feeding and disappointment with this vision if they really stick to it.

 

[foulkehampshire]

You should use the Google machine and see what kind of year the shell of Beckett is putting up. I agree with your point but his shell is having a pretty nice year and shouldn't be lumped in with Maholm and Haren.

 
Beckett is sporting a real healthy 4.29 FIP, He's been lucky.

 

[ehaz]

I don't get this skepticism about Lackey not honoring the last year of the contract.  No one put a gun to his head and forced him into signing for $80 million.  What would he do? Retire? Is there any precedent for this sorta debacle? You just don't see holdouts in MLB.

 

[bosockboy]

 
At least we'll get a few hidden ball tricks.

 

[seantoo]

 
We don't need your kind here.

If SOSH had a tag line that would be it, with of course dueling banjos playing in the background.

 

[Rice4HOF]

https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/494595679394603008

Hadn't heard this before;

@Jared_Carrabis: Spoke to a source within the Red Sox: "Lackey is gone. He asked to be traded."
(Sorry if I screwed up formatting- cutting/paste from iphone)

I get trading somebody who asks if he's not getting enough playing time, or not fitting in - see Doubrount, Felix or maybe Carp, Mike - but at what point does an organization say "sorry, we're paying you to play for us, suck it up"?

 

[RedOctober3829]

https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/494595679394603008

Reportedly Lackey asked to be dealt. Crazy.

 

[soxhop411]

FWIW
@Jared_Carrabis: Spoke to a source within the Red Sox: "Lackey is gone. He asked to be traded."


https://twitter.com/Jared_Carrabis/status/494595679394603008

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

I get trading somebody who asks if he's not getting enough playing time, or not fitting in - see Doubrount, Felix or maybe Carp, Mike - but at what point does an organization say "sorry, we're paying you to play for us, suck it up"?

 
When that player's value on the field for your team exceeds what you can get from another team in a trade.

 

[amfox1]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 1m
Red Sox have had discussions with Marlins regarding Jon Lester in addition to John Lackey, source says. @foxsports1

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 43s
That's not to say Marlins are trying to acquire *both* in the same deal. But discussions between the teams have involved both pitchers.

#mysteryteam?

 

[ji oh]

FWIW
@Jared_Carrabis: Spoke to a source within the Red Sox: "Lackey is gone. He asked to be traded."


https://twitter.com/Jared_Carrabis/status/494595679394603008

 
What do other teenagers think?

 

[Otis Foster]

I don't get this skepticism about Lackey not honoring the last year of the contract.  No one put a gun to his head and forced him into signing for $80 million.  What would he do? Retire? Is there any precedent for this sorta debacle? You just don't see holdouts in MLB.

This was talked to death in another thread. Seek and ye shall find.

 

[Snodgrass'Muff]

This is a sinking ship.

 
Why? Because a guy with a podcast says Lackey asked to be traded? Even if he did, how does that change anything from an hour ago?

 

[Ananti]

I don't get this skepticism about Lackey not honoring the last year of the contract.  No one put a gun to his head and forced him into signing for $80 million.  What would he do? Retire? Is there any precedent for this sorta debacle? You just don't see holdouts in MLB.

He could just sit out the year. He'd be a douche for doing it but he could do it. I mean he stands to only lose $500,000, which is not much to a guy who has already made what he has made in his career. He can threaten to sit out and force the team to give him a significant raise, probably not less than $10 mi.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

SoSH servers just requested to be traded to the Astros fan boards.