Red Sox & Pablo Sandoval agree to 5 Year, $100 Millionish Deal
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Lou Gorman's head is spinning with all these 3rd baseman and outfielders.PrometheusWakefield said:
Not sure I've seen this mentioned:
AT&T Park has a lot more foul territory (to foul out in) than Fenway: this guy say 25,000 sqf compared to 17000sqf.
http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/FenwayPark.html
Not sure if Panda actually fouls out much.
This guy goes through all the different things that make AT&T Park hard to hit it, including foul territory.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24766838/what-makes-att-park-such-a-pitchers-haven
AT&T Park has a lot more foul territory (to foul out in) than Fenway: this guy say 25,000 sqf compared to 17000sqf.
http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/FenwayPark.html
Not sure if Panda actually fouls out much.
This guy goes through all the different things that make AT&T Park hard to hit it, including foul territory.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24766838/what-makes-att-park-such-a-pitchers-haven
Sille Skrub said:
My gut says you are right. But one WAR is worth approximately $6.5 million in today's baseball (it's been cited as being anywhere from $6-7 million). Even in a year when he had a lower ops+ (111) than in the past few years, he was still worth 3.3 bWAR. 3.3 x $6.5 million = $21.45 million. Even at $6 million per WAR, he's worth $19.8 million.
So yeah, he actually *IS* worth $20 million. At least the 2014 Pablo Sandoval was worth $20 million. Will the 2015-2019 Sandoval be worth $20 million? Well, there's a good chance he will be. Even though his performance will decline? Yes! Because each WAR will be worth more in the inflated financial world of MLB.
So he won't be a "steal". He won't be a "good deal". This deal will be pretty much the max of his market rate, but still, it will be what he's worth.
And for anyone thinking that signing both Panda and Hanley prevents them from getting Lester, that's crazy. They can do it. It also means that they'll almost certainly make a deal, probably involving Cespedes.
Luis Taint said:
The three main possibilities here are:
1: Cespedes traded, or
2: Napoli traded, or
3: Bogaerts traded.
Hank Scorpio said:
I'm utterly puzzled by the Bogaerts traded talk. I suppose it's a "possibility", but it makes no sense to me. Who plays shortstop? Hanley isn't really an option there any more. You don't create a hole when you have a player like that making peanuts and you need to spend money on pitching. I don't think Bogaerts is going anywhere. Neither is Betts, you don't trade players like that. I think everybody else is fair game though.
The after-thought here is Middlebrooks; man, is he done here or what? Way to turn off your bosses by rejecting their suggestions..AAA and wait for a trade. Jeez.
If I was a betting man I wouldn't bet against hearing about Hamels to Boston if Panda is signed.Luis Taint said:
Hamels, straight up for Cespedes? Is your second starter? I'm confused as to how big a chip Cespedes is. Could he , along with a decent prospect or two , bring back Zimmerman or Cueto?Tyrone Biggums said:
I think it would probably be something like Cespedes and Marrero or Cespedes and Buchholz to make money work so they can still pursue Lester. To put his value into perspective two very smart organizations felt that he was worth Jon Lester who is the hottest pitcher on the free agent market currently.Luis Taint said:
Heyman
Sandoval is going to boston too
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861205382856705
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861205382856705
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Sandoval is going to boston too
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861205382856705
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861205382856705
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https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861205382856705Corsi said:
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Literally just waking up. Well done Jon and more importantly Ben.
Sandoval has agreement to go to the red sox for 5 years, close to 100M
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861534237229056
https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/536861534237229056
Tyrone Biggums said:
I don't think we are trading Buchholz anyway, but if they Phillies are looking to clear a lot of money, Cespedes and Buchholz make more this year than Hamels . Obviously both are on much shorter deals, but I doubt they want to bring back $23M in salary for Hamels.
So Heyman and Rosenthal, plus the local guys, were scooped by a 14 year old on 2 of the biggest acquisitions so far?
I don't think the Phillies are trying to clear money at all. In a nutshell they're looking to redistribute the money to fill holes on the team. Cespedes gives them the thump that they assumed Ryan Howard was going to provide and obviously cannot at this stage in his career. So while it would be nice to get rid of 20 million in salary it's all about the best possible return for Hamels and if it's the guy who was just traded for Lester and a guy who is 18 months removed from being a big part of the Sox then you consider it.NDame616 said:
Bogaerts isn't being traded. Stop. He's a young player you build around, who they absolutely believe in and who plays at the sort of salary that allows you to take on possibly albatross-y contracts like the one we just gave that Michelin Man looking guy.
Breathe.
Edit: because gave got autocorrected to have. Thanks, apple!
Breathe.
Edit: because gave got autocorrected to have. Thanks, apple!
Mlb radio speculating Bogaerts will be traded and Hanley will play SS. I hope not ... unless some major sp comes back
Snoop Soxy Dogg said:
I'm not advocating it, and I really want to believe Ben wouldn't trade Bogaerts, but I worry it might happen. I love the thought of trading Cespedes, strongly dislike the idea of trading Napoli, and the thought of trading Bogaerts (or Betts, or Swihart) makes me sick to my stomach.
In 2015, this leads to the potentially awkward sight of Hanley Ramirez in LF -- but it's going to be a killer lineup (Betts, Pedroia, Ortiz, Ramirez, Napoli, Sandoval, Bogaerts, Castillo, Vazquez), and if you can still afford Lester and get some value out of Cespedes, Craig, Middlebrooks, and the other pieces who now definitely don't have a roster spot, we could be looking at a really good team.
In the longer term, I think this is about replacing Ortiz and Napoli. With Stanton and Heyward (two of my favorite potentially-available elite bats) no longer available, I think the idea is to figure out how to have a 2016-and-beyond lineup containing enough high-level bats. Totally on board with Ramirez and Sandoval being two of them (occupying two of these spots depending on what else the roster looks like: 3B, 1B, DH).
In the longer term, I think this is about replacing Ortiz and Napoli. With Stanton and Heyward (two of my favorite potentially-available elite bats) no longer available, I think the idea is to figure out how to have a 2016-and-beyond lineup containing enough high-level bats. Totally on board with Ramirez and Sandoval being two of them (occupying two of these spots depending on what else the roster looks like: 3B, 1B, DH).
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS
sandoval agrees to red sox deal. 5 years, close to 100M (believed to be just under)
So that 14 year old was wrong on this deal. He was just scooping a report from Latin America that was wrong too
sandoval agrees to red sox deal. 5 years, close to 100M (believed to be just under)
So that 14 year old was wrong on this deal. He was just scooping a report from Latin America that was wrong too
Relax Boegarts is not being moved. Sox brass loves him too much. Expect a Cespedes trade in 48 hours. Again this is all just my opinion...Hank Scorpio said:
johnnywayback said:
I think Hanley may not be more than average in LF. He quite possibly could be below average. I don't see him as being a butcher out there.
Keep in mind that the Red Sox won the 2013 World Series with Gomes and Nava in left. Gomes had a -0.4 dWAR, and Nava a -1.3 dWAR. That's almost -2 dWAR between the two. Hanley will not be that bad. No way. They will have superior defense in RF and CF and 2b and 1b and C. Solid defense at 3b. Average defense at SS. They can afford a below average defender in left, especially given what the lineup should produce.
Gustavo Vasquez, agent for Pablo Sandoval, says his client is still weighing offers but no deal yet.
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/536866191785336832
https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/536866191785336832
Alex Speier @alexspeier 3m3 minutes ago
Gustavo Vasquez, agent for Pablo Sandoval, says his client is still weighing offers but no deal yet.
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Gustavo Vasquez, agent for Pablo Sandoval, says his client is still weighing offers but no deal yet.
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Dan to Theo to Ben said:
5 year deal bothers me even more than the $20 mil per...which also bothers me, of course.
What are the analytics that suggest he's going to produce at a level where this is the best use of that money?
ivanvamp said:
Below average in LF? He was just playing at the high end of the defensive spectrum -- granted,, not very well, but he was at least passable -- and he'd go all the way to the other end and still be below average? I'm holding out hope for more.
Sandoval's agent has kept everythign very quiet, as have the Red Sox. They aren't going to leak the news until it's official. It's nothign to worry about. He's in Boston and he's signing.
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 2m2 minutes ago
Sandoval’s agent, Gustavo Vasquez, told me same thing he told @alexspeier: No deal with #RedSox. However, @JonHeymanCBS reporting it’s done.
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The smart money is that Sandoval wanted to tell the Giants personally before the news broke and that's why they're denying any agreement.mloyko54 said:
Signing depends on too many things going right:
-Panda's bat remaining steady or improving (OK, relatively likely)
-Panda not having difficulty adjusting to AL or to Boston (Unclear, better hitters than him have had trouble)
-His defense actually being solid at third (Sure, I believe the Sox can figure this out)
-His defense not declining quickly (eh)
-and if so, his being able to move to first or DH and his bat to carry there (eh)
-His weight not being an issue re: health or performance (I think this is overblown but a risk)
You're also basically right now deciding that Cecchini is not going to be a MLB 3B. I understand there are questions on his defense, but he is young and players have improved in that regard in the past. I don't think they are so close to a playoff team that they can make that determination right now and would prefer to let him play for the job in AAA this year while signing a stopgap like Lowrie.
I'd have spent my money on pitching or just banked it for something better to come along.
-Panda's bat remaining steady or improving (OK, relatively likely)
-Panda not having difficulty adjusting to AL or to Boston (Unclear, better hitters than him have had trouble)
-His defense actually being solid at third (Sure, I believe the Sox can figure this out)
-His defense not declining quickly (eh)
-and if so, his being able to move to first or DH and his bat to carry there (eh)
-His weight not being an issue re: health or performance (I think this is overblown but a risk)
You're also basically right now deciding that Cecchini is not going to be a MLB 3B. I understand there are questions on his defense, but he is young and players have improved in that regard in the past. I don't think they are so close to a playoff team that they can make that determination right now and would prefer to let him play for the job in AAA this year while signing a stopgap like Lowrie.
I'd have spent my money on pitching or just banked it for something better to come along.
Adding both Ramirez and Sandoval would push Boston's 2015 payroll for CBT purposes to $164 million. Room for pitching, flexibility to trade.
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/536868598170796033
https://twitter.com/brianmacp/status/536868598170796033
tbb345 said:
Means nothing. I was trying to paste something else but for some reason my macbook won't override a previous copy.
Aren't 14-year-olds all genius hackers? Maybe he has gotten into a principal's emails. Anyway, as someone who wanted Headley, I hope it's not true, although Pablo (already on a first-name basis) was a lot of fun to watch this post-season.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Toe Nash said:
You're deciding that Cecchini is not going to be the Red Sox 3B in 2015. In 2016, Sandoval could be at 1B. Long-term, you could see Ramirez at DH. And for what it's worth, I really like Cecchini, but don't think it would hurt to see him for another year in AAA. What might hurt is going into the post-Ortiz/Napoli era without a plan beyond hoping that "something better" comes along to fill out the middle of the lineup.
These moves increase our flexibility, not the other way around.
