Report: A-Rod banned through 2014?

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I think MLB has royally screwed up with the Arod suspension.  I cannot stand Arod but 200+ games is way over the top in comparison to the other punishments handed out.  There are no positive tests (that we know about) and everyone is treating it like PEDs no longer exist in baseball.  It's a joke.  Somehow Bud Selig has managed to make me feel sorry for Arod. 
 
I think Arod told MLB to suck it.  Try to give me a lifetime ban, Let's see how that goes in court.  Arod playing out the year make MLB look foolish. 
 
Media members, former players and his own union talking shit is a joke.  There are only two players involved that make a boat load of money and have real status - Arod & Braun.  Braun blinked, shit his pants and ran to the hills to hide.  The other players who "accepted" their deals were not in a position to fight like Arod.  The MLBPA was very slow to make critical comments about the suspension and was probably hoping Arod would just accept. 
 
I really hate give Arod any credit (he is someone who used PEDs and is the definition of unlikeable) but he has some balls.  Alone on an island - no friends, only Haters.  The "GAME" is not clean!  Five years ago the media would have fallen all over themselves if Braun had delivered the Longoria message.  What makes anyone think Evan Longoria is clean?  Who cares what McGwire thinks about the current state of the game?  Who know if Jeter is falling apart because he finally stopped using?
 
Just a total joke.  I hope Arod goes on a tear and greatly adds to his HR totals.
Failing an analytical test is merely one way a player can be suspended.  Section 7 of the Program outlines the various violations that can lead to a suspension.  In A-Rod's case, 7.G.2 seems to provide the OCB wide latitude on suspension length, and it doesn't seem as though that's the only check mark against him.
 
You'd have a hard time proving Selig is acting capriciously here.  The Program outlines his authorities, and I'm not seeing anything that suggests he's ventured off the path in his discipline.
 
I'm not sure why you're discussing a lifetime ban.  I think that ship sailed.  He's been suspended for this year and next as I understand it.
 

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It may very well be that the reason for so many bad contracts in the testing era is players stop using once they get that big guaranteed contract.  I believe Lance Armstrong compensation was mainly fee based and and the endorsements continued only so long as he won frequently, so he is not a good comparison for players other than those going for the big contract.
 
In some cases, like Arod and Bonds, ego certainly plays a role, and their proximity to individual records.  In others, players may want to justify the contract and continue using, but I think one of the consequences of testing is more players simply stop once they get that big payday
 
In this case with guys like Cruz and Peralta, heck even Arod, they would have to be insane to be using during an active investigation pending a determination of penalties for past use, even if they are confident they can pass testing.  They have to wonder if there calls/texts/email are being monitored and if there are investigators tracking their every move.  Frankly, as the investigative arm of the MLB grows, this may become a bigger threat to players who use than testing.
The stuff these guys are on is out of their system so quickly testing will not catch them. I think you're really overestimating the effect of testing here, all it achieves is better cheats. Go read some of the victor conte quotes from a year ago when mlb was trying to nab Braun the first go-round

Once these guys take their hit they're getting ready to play, and for a lot of em this is the generation's greenies, it ain't going away so easily. I also think you're underestimating the resources many of these guys have at their disposal, Mlb can look all they want at texts or whatever, once again it only makes a better cheat. Money, ego, fame, these are all powerful motivators.
 

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I'm not a Dr but I find that very hard to believe. Steroids needs to stay in the system for awhile to work. You can't inject/ingest something for a week and stop.

Where I've heard some posters say "it's out of the system very fast" I think that actually means players are just using better masking agents to hide from tests.
 

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How the NY crowd reacts to A-Rod on Friday night is going to be interesting.  Full on booing?  Mixed?  Support?
 
I think it's going to be rough. 
 

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I'm not a Dr but I find that very hard to believe. Steroids needs to stay in the system for awhile to work. You can't inject/ingest something for a week and stop.
 
It's both.  These PED programs are generally repetitive cycles.  While the overall program will stretch long, depending on the mix and yadda yadda yadda some can be in and out fairly quickly.  Plus the masking agents.  so, it's not really "stopping", it's just timing.
 
That's half the problem.  We want/need to be able to talk about the actual mechanics of PED usage, but there are no "rules".  Different things work different ways on different bodies, and that's not even counting the cutting-edge designer stuff that we don't even know about yet.  The variables resist easy definition.
 

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How the NY crowd reacts to A-Rod on Friday night is going to be interesting.  Full on booing?  Mixed?  Support?
 
I think it's going to be rough. 
 
The crowd will take their cue from Yankee management, which has all but declared him to be the devil incarnate.
 
I will be shocked if the reaction is anything other than full on booing, with a sprinkling of "STFU A-Rod!" thrown in for good measure.
 

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How the NY crowd reacts to A-Rod on Friday night is going to be interesting.  Full on booing?  Mixed?  Support?
 
I think it's going to be rough. 
Booing. Then a curtain call on his first HR.
 

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They shouldn't be too harsh on him - he is tied for the highest OBP on the team, after all.  :p
 

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I'm not a Dr but I find that very hard to believe. Steroids needs to stay in the system for awhile to work. You can't inject/ingest something for a week and stop.

Where I've heard some posters say "it's out of the system very fast" I think that actually means players are just using better masking agents to hide from tests.
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"Conte told The News recently that he believes the most popular performance enhancers in sports are not necessarily the undetectable designer steroids he provided athletes with more than a decade ago from his BALCO offices near San Francisco, but the kind of simple, fast-acting synthetic testosterone Cabrera is believed to have tested positive for.

“I’m told that they rub it on their hands or under their arms,” he said, adding that the “trans-dermal” creams, as they’re known, clear the system in six to eight hours and don’t breach the 4-to-1 testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio that triggers a positive test under most programs.

Conte, now an advocate for clean performance, supports a testing program called the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) that uses the more sophisticated, and costly, CIR test on its athletes, a move Conte says Major League Baseball and the other leagues, as well as the Olympics, should routinely use (they use CIR if a sample is elevated beyond the 4-1 ratio or if the sample is otherwise suspicious).

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/balco-founder-victor-conte-melky-cabrera-positive-testosterone-test-surprising-dopers-flying-radar-article-1.1137343#ixzz2bNzwMwS4"
 
that's just one example of many...
 

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The crowd will take their cue from Yankee management, which has all but declared him to be the devil incarnate.
 
I've said before I'm not especially in touch with the general mindset of Yankee fans, but I do know they don't need any help hating A-Rod. Even my mom said she is looking forward to booing him when we go in a few weeks. 
 

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"Conte told The News recently that he believes the most popular performance enhancers in sports are not necessarily the undetectable designer steroids he provided athletes with more than a decade ago from his BALCO offices near San Francisco, but the kind of simple, fast-acting synthetic testosterone Cabrera is believed to have tested positive for.

“I’m told that they rub it on their hands or under their arms,” he said, adding that the “trans-dermal” creams, as they’re known, clear the system in six to eight hours and don’t breach the 4-to-1 testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio that triggers a positive test under most programs.

Conte, now an advocate for clean performance, supports a testing program called the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) that uses the more sophisticated, and costly, CIR test on its athletes, a move Conte says Major League Baseball and the other leagues, as well as the Olympics, should routinely use (they use CIR if a sample is elevated beyond the 4-1 ratio or if the sample is otherwise suspicious).

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/balco-founder-victor-conte-melky-cabrera-positive-testosterone-test-surprising-dopers-flying-radar-article-1.1137343#ixzz2bNzwMwS4"
 
that's just one example of many...
 
 
Although analytical methods and compounds identified in system like that of VADA may be different or "better" than those used in the Program, I believe the primary benefit of such a system applied to MLB would be an increased and unpredictable frequency.  How many tests across the game are permitted now?  225 or 250?  Effectively, the Union would have to acquiesce to what now appears to be a majority of its members and say to MLB:  "Test us randomly and whenever you wish; we want to prove that we're clean."
 
"Acquiesce to a majority" sounds so absurd on its face, but this is the Union we're talking about here.  It will take a heck of a lot of shaming to get them to give on the current infrequent, scheduled testing.  That's too bad because the OCB seems to have not only plenty of leverage to pressure some renegotiation because of the punishments it handed out through the Program, but also because the average player appears to have had enough of it.  It would be interesting to see what would happen if Selig would push them to put their money where their mouth is.
 
I like the Program.  It's progress, so I bristle a bit at suggestions that it's not.  On the other hand, it's clearly an interim step and it's not clear whether MLB and the Union view it as a final step, which would be disturbing.
 

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It's both.  These PED programs are generally repetitive cycles.  While the overall program will stretch long, depending on the mix and yadda yadda yadda some can be in and out fairly quickly.  Plus the masking agents.  so, it's not really "stopping", it's just timing.
 
That's half the problem.  We want/need to be able to talk about the actual mechanics of PED usage, but there are no "rules".  Different things work different ways on different bodies, and that's not even counting the cutting-edge designer stuff that we don't even know about yet.  The variables resist easy definition.
Timing is definitely the key.  If players aren't tested in the offseason, they can take the longer acting testosterone agents in the offseason, then tailor down and take the short acting stuff during the season when they are tested.  They can gain strength in the offseason and maintain it, as well as recover wears and tears, during the season.  This can be done now, with the current system. 
 
It's also important to note that the level for testosterone that creates a positive test is generally about 3 times the average for a 20-30 year old male.  This is important because a player with an average testosterone level can still boost his testosterone to double the natural level and still stay under the level for a positive test. 
 
Plus, as others have mentioned, HGH isn't currently tested for. 
 

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I've said before I'm not especially in touch with the general mindset of Yankee fans, but I do know they don't need any help hating A-Rod. Even my mom said she is looking forward to booing him when we go in a few weeks. 
 
It was interesting watching the White Sox games on YES as the cameras picked up a number of fans wearing Yankees attire cheering Arod.
 
Even before The PED thing, the Jeterites had always had it out for Arod, but have to imagine there are some Yankee fans who give him some credit for the only championship they have got in the 21st century.  Don't know what percentage his supporters are, but while he probably could not win an election for Mayor, he must have some
 

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Bit surprised to see no mention of the 4 stolen boxes here.
 
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9550599/former-biogenesis-employee-porter-fischer-feels-bullied-mlb
 
 
Fischer is believed to possess the most extensive set of Biogenesis documents, though he says he previously provided a similar set to a friend, which he suspects were passed on to Rodriguez, the embattled Yankees slugger. Fischer contends to have more detailed documents than Bosch.
 
Fischer acknowledges there is a possibility the documents contain names not previously raised by MLB, as well as a smattering of athletes from other sports who dealt with Bosch and his South Florida clinics.
 
"Bosch is only going to cop to what is in front of him," Fischer said. "I doubt he has copies of handwritten [patient] notes. And do you think he's going to tell them he injected high school players?"
 
Earlier in its investigation, MLB sought repeatedly to gain Fischer's cooperation, at one point offering as much as $125,000 to bring him into the fold. Now it has moved on to an angry cat-and-mouse game, with MLB playing hardball and Fischer trying to skirt subpoena servers parked outside his front door.
 
Dresnick asked at least a half-dozen times Thursday whether Fischer was still in possession of the documents, which led to vague, rambling responses. Fischer noted on each occasion that he didn't feel comfortable engaging MLB's legal eagles without his own counsel, telling the judge he would prefer to be held in contempt of court rather than make a verbal misstep.
 
 
Yet earlier we were told Fischer reported 4 of 7 boxes of records stolen from his car.
 
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9508288/biogenesis-whistleblower-broke-open-scandal-says-ncaa-mma-nba-other-athletes-used-clinic-mlb-investigation
 
 
 
"Previously, I had been getting calls from them every day," he said. "Once I turned them down for the $125,000, two days later they wrote me a letter instructing me not to destroy any documents and to keep them around."
 
On March 24, he said, while transporting the documents, his car was broken into and four of the seven boxes he had were stolen. The Boca Raton Police Department report of the incident states a handgun and a laptop were also stolen.
 
 
Anyways, does not seem like the investigation is over and I would not be surprised if there were be a 2nd wave of suspensions down the road.
 
 
 
 
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Although analytical methods and compounds identified in system like that of VADA may be different or "better" than those used in the Program, I believe the primary benefit of such a system applied to MLB would be an increased and unpredictable frequency.  How many tests across the game are permitted now?  225 or 250?  Effectively, the Union would have to acquiesce to what now appears to be a majority of its members and say to MLB:  "Test us randomly and whenever you wish; we want to prove that we're clean."
 
 
Frequency is much more than this, although not nearly enough, especially offseason, and there are probably windows where players know they wont be tested
 
 
 
 
A report required from the independent administrator who oversees Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Program revealed on Friday that a total of 10,955 unannounced drug tests were administered to Major League players on the 40-man rosters of each club and analyzed from 2008-10.
That number includes 10,634 administered during the season and 321 during the offseason.
 
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110429&content_id=18418592&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
 
That's about 2 tests per player
 
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Plus, as others have mentioned, HGH isn't currently tested for. 
 
They started this year.
 
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130110&content_id=40916028&c_id=mlb
 
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Conte, now an advocate for clean performance, supports a testing program called the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) that uses the more sophisticated, and costly, CIR test on its athletes, a move Conte says Major League Baseball and the other leagues, as well as the Olympics, should routinely use (they use CIR if a sample is elevated beyond the 4-1 ratio or if the sample is otherwise suspicious).

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/balco-founder-victor-conte-melky-cabrera-positive-testosterone-test-surprising-dopers-flying-radar-article-1.1137343#ixzz2bNzwMwS4"
 
that's just one example of many...
 
 
They are using the CIR test more, if it deviates from the baseline values established as part of the profile program,  Probably should do it for every test, but thats expensive.
 
 
 
Major League Baseball will pump up its drug testing program in 2013, implementing in-season blood tests to detect human growth hormone, and creating a longitudinal profile program, in which a player’s [baseline] Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio and other medical data will be maintained in a World Anti-Doping Agency-accredited laboratory, the Players Association and MLB announced Thursday.

Additionally in 2013, players’ urine samples will be automatically subjected to sophisticated Carbon Isotope Ratio (CIR) testing if a specimen does “vary materially from a player’s baseline values.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mlb-introducing-hgh-testing-2013-article-1.1237534#ixzz2bPx4CoMC
 

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Just a bit outside.  Boy, was I off.  Too bad we weren't playing hand grenades...
 
It looks like Section 3 covers this:  one spring training urine sample and one randomly scheduled sample during the season for each player, then the 225 or 250 tests I was confused by earlier in the off-season (depending on the season).  Also, a minimum of 1,400 random tests during the season are required.  You obviously have the real-world numbers.
 
http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/jda.pdf
 

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I did not realise that had happened. I guess it must just be a coincidence that Pettitte is all of a sudden pitching like a man his actual age this year.
I didn't realize it either.  I knew the player's union had agreed to it, but I didn't think the testing started until next year.  
 

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I didn't realize it either.  I knew the player's union had agreed to it, but I didn't think the testing started until next year.  
 
According to some claims, the isoform test only has a detection window of 12 hrs after taking HGH, although WADA claims up to 72 hrs.  In any event, only about 0.1% of all athletes tested have tested positive for HGH.  There is a newer test called the biomarker test that has a detection window up to 21 days, so that's probably coming down the pipeline after the next CBA
 

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Mark Cuban not so sure MLB got the A-Rod suspension right:  http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20130809-mark-cuban-on-horrible-a-rod-suspension-and-trying-to-buy-rangers-with-bud-selig-s-mafia-working-against-him.ece
 
He's not aware that other factors were afoot that led to the additional suspension length, all of which seems permissible per the agreement.  However, I guess he had different reasons for opining on the matter, and I'm pretty sure I support his cause on that front.  He would make a darn interesting MLB owner.
 

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Mark Cuban not so sure MLB got the A-Rod suspension right:  http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20130809-mark-cuban-on-horrible-a-rod-suspension-and-trying-to-buy-rangers-with-bud-selig-s-mafia-working-against-him.ece
 
He's not aware that other factors were afoot that led to the additional suspension length, all of which seems permissible per the agreement.  However, I guess he had different reasons for opining on the matter, and I'm pretty sure I support his cause on that front.  He would make a darn interesting MLB owner.
 
The head of the MLBPA does not agree with the length either
 

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Why would the head of the MLBPA agree with it?
 
Who said he did?     But he had a number in his mind that he said he did agree with, and apparently agreed with the extra 15 games Braun got.
 

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"60 Minutes" has learned that members of New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez's inner circle in February obtained and leaked documents that implicated Milwaukee Brewers slugger Ryan Braun as well as his own Yankees teammate, catcher Francisco Cervelli, in the doping scandal that has enveloped Major League Baseball.
 
 
60 Minutes is reporting that A-Rod is a snitch. 
 
LINK: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57598805/a-rod-fingered-fellow-players-in-doping-investigation/
 

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Another strange twist:
 
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/danny-knobler/23174034/among-a-rods-sins-outing-other-players-is-a-new-low
 
He always talks about his teammates, his boys.
Even as Major League Baseball was turning Alex Rodriguez into baseball's No. 1 steroid villain, A-Rod was still trying to portray himself as baseball's No. 1 teammate. He showed up back in the Yankee clubhouse with hugs. He used all his interviews with all his favored writers to talk about the warmth he felt when he walked into that room.
He was there for them. He was there for all the players in baseball.
That's what he wanted us to believe. That's what he wanted them to believe.
And like so much else about Alex Rodriguez, it's a story that just wasn't true.
We know that now in the wake of a 60 Minutes report that has uncovered evidence that people in A-Rod's inner circle were willing to throw one of those teammates under the steroid bus. We know now that all the way back in the first days of the Biogenesis story that has consumed this baseball summer, A-Rod's people were actively working to blacken names of other players.
 
 
So according to this report, ARod's team was leaking details of other players, including Braun and Cervelli.
 
This is really bizzar
 

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What I don't get is why he'd do this. To say, "hey, other MVPs are involved not just me"? Or "I wasn't the only Yankee in on this"? Why would he be snitching on other players?
 

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What I don't get is why he'd do this. To say, "hey, other MVPs are involved not just me"? Or "I wasn't the only Yankee in on this"? Why would he be snitching on other players?
 
Well, obviously, exposing everyone but yourself is a clever strategy because. . .oh - wait-a-sec.
 

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Why wouldn't he be doing that? Anyone with any sense knows that there are lots more Tony Bosch's out there and many, many other players that are using. So if you're getting singled out because your "provider" ran a loose ship and had a fight with one of his employees, why wouldn't you make every effort to show that you're not the only dirty one? It's much harder for the league to come down on you like a ton of bricks if many other players are behaving in exactly the same way. They've already basically telegraphed that this is going to be their case to the arbitrator, right? That A-Rod's punishment is out of proportion to the others that were caught, even though they were all doing the same thing? Sounds like they had this strategy in mind from day one, which actually seems pretty smart to me.
 

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What I don't get is why he'd do this. To say, "hey, other MVPs are involved not just me"? Or "I wasn't the only Yankee in on this"? Why would he be snitching on other players?
 It is important to MLB to establish that ARod obtained records from Biogenesis in an attempt to thwart the investigation. That is the basis of the suspension being so long.There is a question who  stole the records from the original whistle blower Porter Fischer.See this storyhttp://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-06-20/news/mlb-steroids-alex-rodriguez/full
There are a lot of questions unanswered about the  way the various parties in this story obtained custody of the crucial documents.
 

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I enjoyed this article.  Some quotes:
If Steinbrenner were alive today, none of this would be happening. He long ago would have figured out a way to go the extra distance to go all Howie Spira and cut A-Rod off at the legs. Or better yet, after a couple years of this act, he would have been way too smart to put the Yankees in position to hand over the organizational keys to megalomaniacal boob who for years has viewed himself as bigger than the game.
 
Sadly for the Yankees, George's sons are not that savvy. So when A-Rod sent word in the middle of Game 4 of the 2007 World Series that he was opting out of his first record-setting contract – Exhibit A in his Bigger Than the Game view of the world – the Yankees asked how high they could jump.
 
Just as he did in mixing metaphors that weekend in Trenton, N.J., when he spoke of a “pink elephant” in the room, A-Rod's screwed this one up, too.
 
It is the clean players who are supposed to turn in the cheaters, A-Rod.
 
If you're one of the cheaters, mum's the word while you cower in the corner and hope the cops keep walking past your scuzzy little hideout.
 
 
Lawyered up to the point where he's practically in a straightjacket, A-Rod's main suit, David Cornwell, issued a statement to 60 Minutes that “the allegations are untrue and are another attempt to harm Alex – this time by driving a wedge between Alex and other players in the game.”
 
 
And finally:
Suggested signs to bring along this weekend in Fenway:
 
A-Rod's leaks go the extra distance
 
Today we consider ourselves the luckiest fans on the face of the earth
 
We'd like to thank the Good Lord for making HIM a Yankee
 
 

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Van Everyman said:
What I don't get is why he'd do this. To say, "hey, other MVPs are involved not just me"? Or "I wasn't the only Yankee in on this"? Why would he be snitching on other players?
 
Seems more likely that this is false information leaked by his accusers to support there charges he obtained records and used it to hinder the investigation (leaking names could be considered as such). I suppose stories like these could also influence the arbitrator and not just the public at large.
 
In any event. I see no benefit to Arod for anyone in his camp leaking names, and wonder who this anonymous source is. Any reason to believe the source is more credible than those that said MLB was going for a lifetime ban and would not let Arod play during his appeal?
 
Taking it with a grain of salt and healthy dose of skepticism,
 
Good timing though with the Yankees getting hot and coming to Boston.
 

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Any reason to believe the source is more credible than those that said MLB was going for a lifetime ban and would not let Arod play during his appeal?
 
 
It's funny that you latch onto that, when the vast majority of the info that has leaked in this entire story since February has turned out to be totally accurate. I'm pretty sure that what you cite above was also accurate when reported, that Selig was considering both of those things but eventually backed off because he didn't think he could make them stick. 
 

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Also, 60 Minutes is pretty reliable as far as journalism goes these days, I think they'd be very conscious of the potential of being manipulated in this situation. 
 

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Also, 60 Minutes is pretty reliable as far as journalism goes these days, I think they'd be very conscious of the potential of being manipulated in this situation. 
A-rod also lied on 60 Minutes if I remember.. So its kind of hard to take A-rods word over the word of respected journalists 
 

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It's funny that you latch onto that, when the vast majority of the info that has leaked in this entire story since February has turned out to be totally accurate. I'm pretty sure that what you cite above was also accurate when reported, that Selig was considering both of those things but eventually backed off because he didn't think he could make them stick. 
 
Which kind of makes another point then. If you are going to violate the CBA with anonymous leaks, why stop at leaking the truth if something else will serve your purpose. Its not like there is any accountability.   
 
Journalists can be respected and still mistaken.  So long as they protect anonymous sources, they can be played. Its not like 60 minutes has a lily white record in journalism.  
 
Obviously, you can't take Arod at his word, but unless someone can present a better story as to what would motivate a player like Arod from leaking other names that certainly would have come out on their own anyways, I will not give it much credence.  
 

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Come on people, he leaked the info because he was trying to clean up the game!
Hee.
 
Why would he point the finger at others?  Why do little kids caught misbehaving point fingers and whine "he did it tooooo"?  Why do
intended victims in slasher films shove their friends front and center when the knife looms?  I think it has something to do with misdirection.  Of course it's not the most rational course of action but A-Fredo's shown over and over and over that he's not smart.  He's not rational.  He can't tell the difference between regular and pink elepants and he is an unctuous puddle of sub-human goo who needs to surf off the end of the world on his own slime trail....but I digress.  
 
His default setting seems to be "lie" so I'm gonna go ahead and believe 60 Minutes on this one until pink elephants fly past my window on the way to taking their kids to school at 7AM and tell me otherwise.
 

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The love between Arod, the Ys and MLB just keep on growing.
 
Arod makes new charges 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/sports/baseball/lawyer-says-yankees-misled-rodriguez-about-injuries.html?ref=sports&_r=0
 
The new lawyer for Alex Rodriguez, opening a fresh defense for a player who sees himself as unfairly targeted by Major League Baseball and his team, said that the Yankees tried to hasten the end of his career by playing him when he was injured and that baseball’s commissioner is determined to brand Rodriguez as the “poster boy” for doping.
 
Joseph Tacopina, the lawyer recently retained by Rodriguez, said the Yankees and the commissioner, Bud Selig, were working together to sideline him from baseball and nullify his contract, under which he is still owed $86 million after this year.
 
Tacopina said the team had not wanted to see Rodriguez play again and had been engaged in a yearlong campaign to embarrass him and keep him off the field.
Asked Friday how much better his swing is this year compared with last year, Rodriguez said, “I shouldn’t have been out there last year.” 
 
Rodriguez learned the extent of his injuries in the off-season, and the Yankees sent him to Dr. Bryan T. Kelly, a prominent surgeon at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan. Tacopina said Kelly later told Rodriguez that before the operation, Levine told Kelly, “I don’t ever want to see him on the field again.”
“It sent chills down Alex’s spine,” Tacopina said.Rodriguez asked Kelly if Levine’s comment was a joke, Tacopina said, and was told that “it wasn’t a joke.”
 
 
The Y's response: 
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/9577397/new-york-yankees-challenge-alex-rodriguez-release-medical-records
 
BOSTON -- New York Yankees team president Randy Levine on Saturday challenged Alex Rodriguez to release his medical records to support assertions by Rodriguez's lawyer that the Yankees had misled their $275 million third baseman about the extent of his injuries in the hopes Rodriguez would be unable to play again.
"Alex should put up or shut up," Levine told ESPNNewYork.com in a telephone conversation Saturday afternoon.
 
 
This is getting uglier and more entertaining by the day.
 

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From the same ESPN article:
 
"He has either forgotten what he has written or he has sense of bravado that is something that is going to come back and make him look very foolish," Tacopina said. "I'm not going to go into what is in those emails. ... I assure you that Randy Levine does not want these emails released because they are not fitting of the president of the New York Yankees."
 
Levine said he was willing to release all the emails between himself and Rodriguez.
 
"They will show that I've been one of Alex's biggest supporters," he said.
 
"Everything I did was to help him to be a leader, better player and a better person."
 
Really hoping that someone actually releases the emails between Levine and A-Rod. I doubt it will happen, but I bet it would make for some pretty fascinating reading.
 

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“I will sit here and tell you this: Alex Rodriguez should not be suspended for one inning, let alone 211 games,” Tacopina said.

...

The entrance of Tacopina, a bombastic fixture in New York’s legal world, is sure to inflame the ill will between the Yankees and Rodriguez that has long been building. Tacopina is a high-priced, made-for-television presence.

He is as flashy as he is aggressive, and his slicked-back hair and fiery words have drawn comparisons to Donald Trump’s. His client list reads like a who’s who of troubled New Yorkers, including Bernard B. Kerik, the disgraced former city police commissioner, and Hiram Monserrate, a former state senator who was accused of slashing his girlfriend’s face.


This guy sounds like quite the piece of work.
 

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This guy sounds like quite the piece of work.
It's lawyers speak.  An supposedly he's not even the biggest jerk on the legal team.  A-Rod is spending millions on PR and legal teams that are just firing up smoke screens.
 

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So wait he hired a loudmouth publicity seeking lawyer who just got compared to trump?
Errr wow this is only going to get better.

We now have added arod snitched, arod was deliberately misled as to his injury by the Yankees, who hoped he would get hurt and never play again.
What next? Arod has an evil twin? He attacked someone with a turkey baster? I'm officially in the nothing would surprise me stage.

I got my money on a sexting story.
 

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My dream is that this fiasco destroys two reputations ARods' and Randy Levine's. 
 

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"Alex Rodriguez paid for Tony Bosch's attorney and later made a wire transfer for nearly $50,000 that Bosch's attorney refused to accept, Bosch's attorneys told "Outside the Lines" on Sunday.
 
The second transfer, described by one of Rodriguez's former attorneys as a mistake, is part of Major League Baseball's evidence that the New York Yankees' third baseman attempted to tamper with the league's Biogenesis investigation, several sources said."
 
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9580315/alex-rodriguez-paid-tony-bosch-lawyer-attorneys-tell-lines
 

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So Bosch is a friend of Arods, much like Papi is a friend of Arods.  Being friends with a bad guy does not make you a bad guy.   Arod with a net worth in excess of 300 million helps his friend out with 25K, which is pocket change to Arod, to pay legal fees needed in part because of MLB  going after Arod.  Another payment was made by mistake and returned.  In neither case was an attempt made to hide the source of the payment.  Weak.