nvalvo said:Sorry if this has been answered, but have we figured out what the Luxury Tax consequences of salary unpaid due to suspensions are?
If it's just a suspension, then the team still takes the same Competitive Balance Tax hit.
nvalvo said:Sorry if this has been answered, but have we figured out what the Luxury Tax consequences of salary unpaid due to suspensions are?
Sampo Gida said:
Almost as far out as a player with 350 million dollars in earnings risking jail time
Sampo Gida said:If the players let this go whats to stop Bud from invoking the same power against players convicted of DUI or spousal abuse, or heck, even being late on their alimony or child support. Heck, I might support that over using the same powers over steroids which at worst only hurt the player and help him hit HR's.
Rovin Romine said:A-Rod can be criminally charged for buying illegal drugs, possessing illegal drugs, or selling illegal drugs. Without those predicate offenses pending (without the intent to charge) there's no viable prosecution for "tampering" with evidence. Sure, it's theoretically possible he'd be charged by the local authorities, but in reality it won't happen. The only way it would happen is if there was a true smoking gun.
This is probably true. But what's interesting or complicating a potential negotiated agreement is the MFY's position and interests. Lets say ARod and MLB agree to a 150 game or therabouts suspension, and he could comeback after the '14 ASG, its quite likely that the Ys don't want him back, for 1) competitive, 2) salary cap, or 3) PR reasons. ARod coming back mid-'14 would be high theatre and a lot of fun to watch, but IMO the MFY want no part of it, but they can't publicly say so.Amidst all of this public crap the two sides are quite likely hammering out a deal that will ban him the rest of this year and all or part of next. Team Rod is probably trying to get the same thing Braun got and Selig is demanding he suffer longer.
bankshot1 said:This is probably true. But what's interesting or complicating a potential negotiated agreement is the MFY's position and interests. Lets say ARod and MLB agree to a 150 game or therabouts suspension, and he could comeback after the '14 ASG, its quite likely that the Ys don't want him back, for 1) competitive, 2) salary cap, or 3) PR reasons. ARod coming back mid-'14 would be high theatre and a lot of fun to watch, but IMO the MFY want no part of it, but they can't publicly say so.
But this isn't a vaccum. While Selig is the commisioner of MLB, he is employed by the owners, and answerable to the owners, for presumably, the owners benefit. I believe the Ys are well within the loop on this one, and have most likely expressed their concerns and priorities to the highest levels of MLB.86spike said:
all true... but aren't the MFYs concerns outside of this whole thing? I'm sure they're telling Selig 'get rid of him, please!' but in a vacuum that should have no bearing.
phrenile said:
It's not only after he's been charged. Florida (FSA § 918.13) says it's the same third degree felony if he tampers with evidence knowing that "an investigation by a duly constituted prosecuting authority, law enforcement agency, grand jury or legislative committee of this state is pending or is about to be instituted". It doesn't look like it has to be an investigation of him, either -- an investigation into Biogenesis (aren't there already some?) should suffice.
New York (McKinney's Penal Law § 215.40) also prohibits suppressing evidence when "elieving that certain physical evidence is about to be produced or used in an official proceeding or a prospective official proceeding".
glennhoffmania said:People keep bringing up the luxury tax cap as an issue here and a reason why NY doesn't want him back despite the fact that other people have posted that his cap number would not change if he was suspended. For anyone claiming that his salary wouldn't count against the luxury tax while he's suspended can you please provide a source for this?
jon abbey said:This whole process has been so strangely public, I'd think that possibly all 30 teams know the full list.
This was well done.Foulkey Reese said:The Twins are going to find a way to trade for Arod, huh?
jon abbey said:Mariners catcher Jesus Montero...
With his lifestyle, the high stakes poker and blow parties at The Plaza held by Molly Bloom? I imagine a great deal of his wealth went up his nose and into the pockets of better poker players.Infield Infidel said:
I agree, he should absolutely scratch and claw for every penny left on his deal. but if he doesn't get it I don't think he'll have to end his luxury lifestyle.
BunnzMcGinty said:With his lifestyle, the high stakes poker and blow parties at The Plaza held by Molly Bloom? I imagine a great deal of his wealth went up his nose and into the pockets of better poker players.
Van Everyman said:Based on the latest news that ARod may well have been recruiting people to Biogenesis, you have to think that helps 'splain the preponderance of Yankees and ex-Yankees on that list.
It also seems to suggest that ARod (and his teammates) were using during the title run in '09.
Is it politically incorrect to note how many of these players are Latinos?jon abbey said:Here is the latest list of names, looks like Colon and Melky get off with time served:
"MLB is working with all the affected players and appears likely to suspend or have an agreement to suspend the other Biogenesis-linked players who have never previously been suspended for 50 games, though it's remotely possible one or two others could get more than 50. Word is, though, that three players on the Biogenesis dockets -- Athletics pitcher Bartolo Colon, Blue Jays outfielder Melky Cabrera and Padres catcher Yasmani Grandal -- aren't expected to be punished further as they are apparently considered to have done their time with suspensions served for failed tests in 2012.
A-Rod is the headline-grabbing name, but the other players with 50-game bans looming are Rangers outfielder Nelson Cruz, Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta, Mariners catcher Jesus Montero, Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli, Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera and minor leaguers Fernando Martinez, Fautino de los Santos, Cesar Puello and Norbeto Martin."
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22943317/mlb-seeks-biggest-ped-ban-it-can-get-on-arod-who-promises-fight
I know this was a joke, but it got me thinking. If the Yanks really wanted to get rid of him, how much would they pay to get him out of town via a trade? Say some team like the A's, Twins, Marlins or Rays, a team that doesn't spend much, were to take him but have the Yankees pay 80-90% of his deal. Would a team do that? Would the Yanks do that?Foulkey Reese said:The Twins are going to find a way to trade for Arod, huh?
terrynever said:Is it politically incorrect to note how many of these players are Latinos?
I'm trying to think of a athlete who's made more money than A-Rod. Just spitballing, Jordan, Kobe, Beckham, maybe Shaq and KG.maufman said:
I don't think you have a concept of how much money A*Rod has earned in his career. He could've blown as much money as Antoine Walker and Scottie Pippen combined and he'd still be set for life.
Which is not to say he shouldn't do whatever is necessary to compel the MFY to honor their contractual obligations to him.
Infield Infidel said:I know this was a joke, but it got me thinking. If the Yanks really wanted to get rid of him, how much would they pay to get him out of town via a trade? Say some team like the A's, Twins, Marlins or Rays, a team that doesn't spend much, were to take him but have the Yankees pay 80-90% of his deal. Would a team do that? Would the Yanks do that?
A-Rod doesn't make money in endorsements, which is where most of the money is for Tiger, among others.Infield Infidel said:I'm trying to think of a athlete who's made more money than A-Rod. Just spitballing, Jordan, Kobe, Beckham, maybe Shaq and KG.
terrynever said:A-Rod doesn't make money in endorsements, which is where most of the money is for Tiger, among others.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-07/tiger-back-on-top-of-forbes-sports-earnings-list/4739820
Very cool. I notice the first survey has Alex making $33M a year but he's down to around $28M this year as the contract was frontloaded a bit. He winds down to $21M near the end. The overriding question with his net worth is how much money he has to pay the lawyers to fight a lifetime ban. That fight could drag on for years. As someone just tweeted, this ends with Alex signing autographs in Vegas next to Pete Rose.Infield Infidel said:
But that's only one year. This list seems better, and the only athletes ahead of him are either retired or golfers. This one isn't bad either. http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/earnings/forbes-index.htm Tiger blows everyone away.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2013/07/31/alex-rodriguez-suspended-lifetime-suspension-biogenesis/2606319/
Commissioner Bud Selig is prepared to levy a lifetime suspension on New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, while suspending about eight others before the weekend, two people with knowledge of the negotiations told USA TODAY Sports. The people were unauthorized to speak publicly because no announcement is expected until Thursday or Friday.
terrynever said:A-Rod doesn't make money in endorsements, which is where most of the money is for Tiger, among others.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-07/tiger-back-on-top-of-forbes-sports-earnings-list/4739820
Infield Infidel said:
But that's only one year. This list seems better, and the only athletes ahead of him are either retired or golfers. This one isn't bad either. http://www.topendsports.com/world/lists/earnings/forbes-index.htm Tiger blows everyone away.
StuckOnYouk said:By the way, they're talking Friday, but isn't Alex able to play on 8/1 with NY? Can he come back tomorrow?
He could probably try to sue for salary, but he can't sue to get back into baseball.StuckOnYouk said:Question, can A-Rod sue MLB if Selig imposes a lifetime ban?
Probably a stupid question, but figured I'd ask.