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The Felger rap this morning was good. The hook was hilarious.

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All I want on my afternoon drive
Is to listen to sports talk on ninety eight point five.
Instead we get a gigantic douche cutting off Mazz
Is this the Sports Hub or a Summer's Eve ad?
 

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I think i'll have to hear G-tang's again, it was difficult to hear all the words in it. Wallachs killed though
 

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I only caught that real quick, i thought it was only for the broadcast at the TPC? I did miss the beginning and end of it though.

Naughty Mazz's rap was great.
 

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I only caught that real quick, i thought it was only for the broadcast at the TPC? I did miss the beginning and end of it though.

Naughty Mazz's rap was great.
That's quite possible, they mentioned TPC but I thought that was when he was going to find out if it was official, it may be that he is going to get a co host for the TPC and he won't know until he shows up.

Mazz' rap was awesome.
 

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They were talking about the cohost thing a bit between 7-8, and it's a temp cohost at TPC while Rich is on vaca in Vegas. Fred was downplaying the possibility of it happening though, whoever it might be. My guess is Scal.
 

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I can't get Mazz's rap out of my head. Despite his short comings of an actual radio host, his delivery in these is fucking great.
 

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Fred's rant on Ryan Lochte from 7:30 to 8 was fantastic, glad I kept it on, my face hurt from smiling the whole ride to work.

Edit: That final rap battle was great. They both had to rap about Felger and both Wallach and Mazz had back up from the folk on the show. I think Wallach takes it but it's close.
 

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Fred's rant on Ryan Lochte from 7:30 to 8 was fantastic, glad I kept it on, my face hurt from smiling the whole ride to work.
Just came here to post the same thing. Loved it when it seemed like he was slowing down and then a caller said something (can't remember exactly what) comparing Lochte to Muhammad Ali and Fred lost it all over again.
 

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Rich declared (yesterday on the air) that today was "Red Sox free Tuesday". They have done well to stick to it, even though yesterday had more news coming out of Fenway.
 

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T&R's rant on Peter King this morning would have made drleather proud.
 

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T&R's rant on Peter King this morning would have made drleather proud.
Fred's rant against Facebook towards the end of the show was great as well.

I've been loving T&R this summer. It's so refreshing to listen to a sports talk show that hasn't devoted its entire format to dissecting the latest Red Sox "pseudo-controversy" for the past 2-3 months.

Some of the bits miss (I thought the Adolfo lacrosse thing was excruciating to listen to yesterday), but as a listener, it's great to know how much effort they put into the show.

Bits like "98 Mile" obviously take a long time to produce, but even something like the Gruden bit they run probably takes hours to put together. To say Rich puts more work and preparation into one show than John Dennis has in the past five years probably wouldn't be an overstatement.
 

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This show takes a huge dive when Fred is out. Anyone else detect a creeping Greshification of Rich? He does the "speak slowly for emphasis" thing, and repeats things that don't need to be repeated. And without Fred, Rich defaults to, in Phenom's phrase, "dissecting the latest Red Sox pseudo-controversy."

The way they were trying to parse Welker's interview this morning was just typical Boston media BS, IMO. And it's the sort of thing this show usually skewers.
 

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This show takes a huge dive when Fred is out. Anyone else detect a creeping Greshification of Rich? He does the "speak slowly for emphasis" thing, and repeats things that don't need to be repeated. And without Fred, Rich defaults to, in Phenom's phrase, "dissecting the latest Red Sox pseudo-controversy."

The way they were trying to parse Welker's interview this morning was just typical Boston media BS, IMO. And it's the sort of thing this show usually skewers.
Hm. I didn't hear any of that. I was listening from about 8 to a bit after 9 and I thought the show was pretty good. They did an old-school video game theme song bit, had Dave Goucher do some Super Mario Bros announcing on fly which was quite amusing. They also had a guest on from SI talk about Jeff Green's contract, which is obviously a softball for Rich. Generally though, over the past couple of days, it's exceeded my expectations with Fred gone and Goucher filling in during the hockey offseason.
 

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I was listening from 7:20-8 and thought it was pretty good, especially Goucher's stuff about traveling with the team.

I did mean to come in here earlier though... Is there a more useless interview than Shalise Manzi-Young every Tuesday morning? I get more out of their interviews with Pete Abe than anything that she has ever "reported".
 

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Some of his delay was not for emphasis. Rich stated in the 6:00 hours that he is sick as a dog. He did several ads yesterday that he said had to be edited because he had to catch his breath every line or so.
 

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I like Rich. I think when he has to carry the show his instinct is to get a little too hyper. This also exposes his other very small weakness - he does not really have a subtle understanding of the Boston sports scene. Fred does because he's a deep-rooted sports guy with a very high sports IQ, and can transfer that knowledge across to the Boston market pretty seamlessly. Rich has always been on the production/music end more than sports, I think; he has acquired real fanship and passion for the Boston scene, and I believe he's a sincere fan, but sometimes his opinions stop at the "Becket is FAT! I hate LeBron!" level (which dovetails nicely with being a bit too hyper in the first chair).

But to be clear, Rich is a local radio godsend. I just like him best paired up with a guy like Fred.
 

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I think you're right outside of when Rich is talking about basketball.

I loved the guess the Nintendo sports game music this morning. That and Rich remembered the Mike Tyson code. Think i got about 7/10 on that. Dave Goucher in college announcing his friends Ice Hockey and Tecmo Bowl games would have been awesome. can't wait for that bit coming up.
 

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When Fred is out, I agree the discussion on the show takes a noticeable (but not massive) hit. Notice I didn't the use the word quality, because the show still has great production value with Rich there.

But my favorite segments on the show are the ones where Rich splices up audio, and Fred just riffs for 10-15 minutes. Rich is a pretty good ranter himself, but he isn't Fred, who's one of the best ranters I've ever heard (the Peter King stuff last week was gold, and that was just Fred reacting to an article he had read).

The fact that we think the show takes a hit when one of the main hosts is out speaks volumes about how good of a pair they are, though. I'm sure we would be saying the same thing if Rich was off for a week. I love listening to Fred rant and rave about his mother in-law, but I'm not sure if I could take four straight hours of it without breaks for bits and what not.
 

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Holy shit, this is an awesome rant by Fred. Basically Rich got a press pass for the Sox Game yesterday and apparently it wasn't looked upon so favorably by mainstream Red Sox media.
It was an all-time great Fred rant...you could tell it was building throughout the show and it was only a matter of time before he exploded.
 

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I'm really surprised that Edes was such a twat about the whole thing. The question that Rich asked: a. was pretty benign and b. should have been asked.

This is why the media in this town isn't as tough as everyone says they are, and it's also another example of how out-of-town writers and non-mainstream writers are showing them up.
 

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I only heard part of the rant (which was awesome), what did Edes actually say to Rich?
 

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BOSTON -- Even Bobby Valentine was a bit taken aback by the way Tuesday’s pregame media session began.

“Was that a tough question, by the way?’’ the Red Sox manager said. “Would you call that -- that's the beginning of a press conference, there's a tough one."

The question came from Rich Shertenlieb, cohost of the “Toucher and Rich” show on 98.5 The Sports Hub, who asked:

“If you had to make your case to the fans as to why you should be the manager of the Red Sox next year, what would you say to them?’’

Valentine was measured in his reply. “I feel bad for those fans. I don't have to make a case for them, though. I suffered with them.’’

Shertenlieb had a follow-up. “What would you want to say to them, if you do come back, to make them believe next year there will be a different result?’’

Valentine: “I'm the best man for the job.’’

Radio talk-show hosts don’t typically show up for pregame sessions, but Valentine presented WEEI’s Glenn Ordway with a gift sound bite last week, so perhaps 'EEI’s rivals were looking for the same. If so, they probably went away disappointed.
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Complete overreaction from Edes, who I like. Toucher and Rich were even saying on the radio yesterday morning they weren't going for any shock questions or anything and asking fans to send in what question they wanted asked, this was the one that was most requested. To get the whole story you need to listen to the two segments between 8-9.
 

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Sounds like the first question at the press conferences are usually things like "how is Dusty's foot?" and benign stuff like that. Hell, I can't ever remember anything memorable coming out at a pregame press conference, so maybe nothing tough is ever asked at these things, and it "just isn't done".

Agreed that Edes shouldn't be reacting like that (and Rich referring to Edes as "some ESPN Blogger" was also inappropriate, I'd have preferred "You're much better than that, Gordon"), and someone should be following up on Bobby Valentine's answer which basically was "because I'm the Mommy and I said so".
 

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and someone should be following up on Bobby Valentine's answer which basically was "because I'm the Mommy and I said so".
I think this was part of the whole reason they did it, because the local media hasn't really been asking these type of questions or following up on weird Valentine answers. They fully admitted they have nothing to lose doing it, but did get the question by asking fans what they wanted to know.
 

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I love these guys. I am completely okay with that question, and Edes is being a shit.
 

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Thanks for posting that. I loved the rant at the beginning but it did get old at the end and agree with Allen. Fred got just as pissed off at Felger because he paid 1300 to have his head shaved at the charity and the Wood didn't shave it all the way. Instead of being happy that they raised more money and got more exposure for the charity he went off about how they are the monkeys of the station that no one takes seriously.

Fred can't have it both ways, he can't act like a complete buffoon one minute and the get pissed because he isn't taken seriously the next.
 

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Any time someone points out the staggering self-absorption of sports media members is a-ok by me.

I normally like Gordon Edes but his sanctimony here is lame.
 

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Gordon's sanctimony? What he wrote was really not all that sanctimonious at all. T&R went into the clubhouse to get sound from Bobby Valentine, they don't go in there very often, it was a calculated move for the program. All Edes said was this:

Radio talk-show hosts don’t typically show up for pregame sessions, but Valentine presented WEEI’s Glenn Ordway with a gift sound bite last week, so perhaps 'EEI’s rivals were looking for the same. If so, they probably went away disappointed.
Radio talk show hosts do not typically show up for pregame sessions. No argument there.

Bobby did sound wasted on the Big Show last week and everyone was talking about it, no argument there..... and yes Gordon speculated that maybe Rich was there to *gasp* provoke Bobby into saying something that he could then turn into a song or a bit or a segment. I don't know what the hell Rich does, Rich is like a wizard. But I digress. The point is, Gordon took about as soft of a jab at Rich as you possibly could. In fact I'd say that it's arguably not even a jab at all, just an account of an odd occurrence at a pre-game press conference mixed in with two sentences of conjecture on the motivation behind it.

He didn't belittle the program, he didn't even say anything negative about the show or Rich. In fact, he was the only writer to even mention they were there, which,ultimately, is what they showed up for, right?

I love T&R, but I think Fred's outrage here is a bit overblown. Gordon didn't really say any of the things Fred was ranting about, although I'll admit it was a fine rant. Gordon has been plenty critical of the Sox this year and even called for Bobby V to be fired on several occasions, so it's not like we're talking about some front office mouthpiece. I think Bobby's answer made the bit fall flat and Fred went after Gordon because nobody else bothered to mention it.
 

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I think Fred was reading this thread because he brought up being called a dink and buffoon.

Anyhow, I like that they just ripped apart some NH guy in the EEI farm system named Matt Perrault, that was much more entertaining than the second half of his rant yesterday.
 

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I think that Fred's point is a really good one and it's getting lost on a lot of people and that is: the Boston media likes to think that they're brain surgeons and that their job is so important that no one is intelligent enough to do what they do, understand what they see, talk about what they talk about.

This has been going on for at least 15 years, but when Bill Simmons started his site and put a face to the faceless bloggers (you know the ones living in their mom's basements), the Boston media assembled and railed against them (Simmons in particular). When message boards, such as SoSH, began to get popular it was "BOSTON MEDIA ASSEMBLE!" and again, they said that we were just "fans" who had no idea about the teams. Then when an athlete like Curt Schilling completely bypasses the middle man and talks directly to the fans (on this site, if you recall) the media has a huge hissy fit (remember Mazz' "Maybe I won't publicize his charity" comment). Recently when they started getting their lunch handed to them by the national guys about the Sox, again it was circle the wagons time and the national guys were just "shit stirrers making it tough for the beat guys" and "all of their stuff was blown out of proportion". Now it's time to gather troops and rip on a guy who made the unforgivable error of not waiting his turn and asking a question that may be a bit tougher than the usual "Hey Bobby, how about the Yankees tonight, huh?"

Fuck them. These guys are so set in their ways and are so insular that any time something new comes down the pipe, they collectively shit their pants. And do they address the person face-to-face? No, of course not. They run to their computers and type up a passive-aggressive "story". As I've said before, I like Gordon Edes a lot, but this herd mentality of the Boston media is bogus. From the false "the Boston media is the toughest in the country" to the predictable, "I'm in the clubhouse, you're not and I know a lot of things" air of superiority that they have while on the radio or during chats, it's ridiculous. They're the incestuous middle-aged white male equivalent of the Plastics or the Heathers or whatever exclusionary teenage girl clique cliche that you can think of.

Like I said these guys act as if they're doing God's work but in reality they're covering a dead-ass, last place ball club in the final days of death march of a shit season. It's a big deal that a host from a sports radio station asked Bobby Valentine a different question that didn't follow some bullshit protocol? And this is something that adults write about while they're clucking their tongues? Give me a break. They need some perspective on their lots in life. Badly.

One last thing, I'd rather listen to Rich's "off-the-wall" questions rather than read one more of St. Nick Cafardo of the vaunted and tough Boston media's idiot clown columns that run on Sundays in the Boston Globe. Apropos of something: do your fucking job, ask questions that mean something and quit carrying water for your buddies. How about that for a change?
 

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I think that Fred's point is a really good one and it's getting lost on a lot of people and that is: the Boston media likes to think that they're brain surgeons and that their job is so important that no one is intelligent enough to do what they do, understand what they see, talk about what they talk about.

This has been going on for at least 15 years, but when Bill Simmons started his site and put a face to the faceless bloggers (you know the ones living in their mom's basements), the Boston media assembled and railed against them (Simmons in particular). When message boards, such as SoSH, began to get popular it was "BOSTON MEDIA ASSEMBLE!" and again, they said that we were just "fans" who had no idea about the teams. Then when an athlete like Curt Schilling completely bypasses the middle man and talks directly to the fans (on this site, if you recall) the media has a huge hissy fit (remember Mazz' "Maybe I won't publicize his charity" comment). Recently when they started getting their lunch handed to them by the national guys about the Sox, again it was circle the wagons time and the national guys were just "shit stirrers making it tough for the beat guys" and "all of their stuff was blown out of proportion". Now it's time to gather troops and rip on a guy who made the unforgivable error of not waiting his turn and asking a question that may be a bit tougher than the usual "Hey Bobby, how about the Yankees tonight, huh?"

Fuck them. These guys are so set in their ways and are so insular that any time something new comes down the pipe, they collectively shit their pants. And do they address the person face-to-face? No, of course not. They run to their computers and type up a passive-aggressive "story". As I've said before, I like Gordon Edes a lot, but this herd mentality of the Boston media is bogus. From the false "the Boston media is the toughest in the country" to the predictable, "I'm in the clubhouse, you're not and I know a lot of things" air of superiority that they have while on the radio or during chats, it's ridiculous. They're the incestuous middle-aged white male equivalent of the Plastics or the Heathers or whatever exclusionary teenage girl clique cliche that you can think of.

Like I said these guys act as if they're doing God's work but in reality they're covering a dead-ass, last place ball club in the final days of death march of a shit season. It's a big deal that a host from a sports radio station asked Bobby Valentine a different question that didn't follow some bullshit protocol? And this is something that adults write about while they're clucking their tongues? Give me a break. They need some perspective on their lots in life. Badly.

One last thing, I'd rather listen to Rich's "off-the-wall" questions rather than read one more of St. Nick Cafardo of the vaunted and tough Boston media's idiot clown columns that run on Sundays in the Boston Globe. Apropos of something: do your fucking job, ask questions that mean something and quit carrying water for your buddies. How about that for a change?
I want to take this post on a tropical vacation to a private island off the coast of Fiji and make sweet sweet love to it all day and night.
 

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I dunno, I read that Edes blurb and it sure sounds like there's a tone of "what the hell are these amateurs doing asking dumb questions in the post game press conference?", which is driven by the mention of 'EEI and the less than subtle idea that this was simply a ratings ploy. But as JMOH points out, it sounds more like Fred was going off on the whole Boston media and used Edes as a jumping off point. He didn't exactly have nice things to say about CHB or Mazz either, so it's not like his ire was solely directed at Edes' comments.
 

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I think Fred was reading this thread because he brought up being called a dink and buffoon.

Anyhow, I like that they just ripped apart some NH guy in the EEI farm system named Matt Perrault, that was much more entertaining than the second half of his rant yesterday.
They just replayed that guy's "rant." Holy shit, he is a dink. He probably thinks kissing up is the best way to get out of NH. Unfortunately for him, it takes a little bit of talent, too.

T&R is the highest rated sports radio show in the market. They're just as much a part of the Boston sports media, if not MORE SO, than many of their counter-parts.

The question wasn't outrageous, and Fred's rant wasn't either. I'm a big fan of Gordon Edes, but he was as condescending as could be with that article yesterday. The fact that some view T&R's success as an assault on all that is sacred with the sports media is absurd, and highlights exactly what is wrong with some of the media in this town.

(Great post JMOH)
 

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Oh man they have been killing it the last few days. That "yahoo" mashup with Felger and the other kid was awesome.
 

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I think Fred was reading this thread because he brought up being called a dink and buffoon.

Anyhow, I like that they just ripped apart some NH guy in the EEI farm system named Matt Perrault, that was much more entertaining than the second half of his rant yesterday.
I liked the idea that someone sent into Rich that at the next press conference he should go in and ask Bobby V the questions that Perrault suggested.

"So, Bobby, the Yankees are in town, all this New York media is here . . . so whadda ya think?"
 

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I think that Fred's point is a really good one and it's getting lost on a lot of people and that is: the Boston media likes to think that they're brain surgeons and that their job is so important that no one is intelligent enough to do what they do, understand what they see, talk about what they talk about.
That's a pretty good point, but there wasn't a whole lot of that in Fred's rant yesterday. Edes wrote a column about Bobby Valentine, not about Toucher and Rich. He mentioned the question Rich asked as a vehicle of showing Bobby V's misguided belief that he's the best man for the job.

Edes didn't say anything negative about the show, or Rich, he just said it was weird for talk show hosts to be at a pre-game PC, and that if they were looking for a reaction out of Bobby V, (which I think it's insane to argue that they were NOT) that they probably didn't get what they wanted.

That's not being condescending, that's not sticking up for the "way things are done" and it's not some sort of warning that these yahoo radio hosts need to shut their mouths when the big boys are talking. It was a throw-away sentence and a half to make a larger point about Bobby Valentine.

This has been going on for at least 15 years, but when Bill Simmons started his site and put a face to the faceless bloggers (you know the ones living in their mom's basements), the Boston media assembled and railed against them (Simmons in particular). When message boards, such as SoSH, began to get popular it was "BOSTON MEDIA ASSEMBLE!" and again, they said that we were just "fans" who had no idea about the teams. Then when an athlete like Curt Schilling completely bypasses the middle man and talks directly to the fans (on this site, if you recall) the media has a huge hissy fit (remember Mazz' "Maybe I won't publicize his charity" comment). Recently when they started getting their lunch handed to them by the national guys about the Sox, again it was circle the wagons time and the national guys were just "shit stirrers making it tough for the beat guys" and "all of their stuff was blown out of proportion". Now it's time to gather troops and rip on a guy who made the unforgivable error of not waiting his turn and asking a question that may be a bit tougher than the usual "Hey Bobby, how about the Yankees tonight, huh?"
OK, but Edes didn't do that. And I got news for you, none of the other writers even mentioned that Rich was there. Edes was the only one, and he hardly was looking down his nose at Rich for being there. Not one other Boston writer has made mention of Rich's question. So I'm not sure what the "BOSTON MEDIA ASSEMBLE" idea has to do with this situation here.

Fuck them. These guys are so set in their ways and are so insular that any time something new comes down the pipe, they collectively shit their pants. And do they address the person face-to-face? No, of course not. They run to their computers and type up a passive-aggressive "story". As I've said before, I like Gordon Edes a lot, but this herd mentality of the Boston media is bogus. From the false "the Boston media is the toughest in the country" to the predictable, "I'm in the clubhouse, you're not and I know a lot of things" air of superiority that they have while on the radio or during chats, it's ridiculous. They're the incestuous middle-aged white male equivalent of the Plastics or the Heathers or whatever exclusionary teenage girl clique cliche that you can think of.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of this, but again, Edes doesn't do these things. Edes has called for Bobby to be fired several times this season, he has reported a lot on the clubhouse dysfunction, and he wrote a great column ripping on Lucchino's letter to the Season Ticket holders. He's hardly some front office mouthpiece.

Like I said these guys act as if they're doing God's work but in reality they're covering a dead-ass, last place ball club in the final days of death march of a shit season. It's a big deal that a host from a sports radio station asked Bobby Valentine a different question that didn't follow some bullshit protocol? And this is something that adults write about while they're clucking their tongues? Give me a break. They need some perspective on their lots in life. Badly.

One last thing, I'd rather listen to Rich's "off-the-wall" questions rather than read one more of St. Nick Cafardo of the vaunted and tough Boston media's idiot clown columns that run on Sundays in the Boston Globe. Apropos of something: do your fucking job, ask questions that mean something and quit carrying water for your buddies. How about that for a change?
Towards the end of the show I thought Fred was actually being totally honest when he said that T&R is not a sports talk show, they try to make people laugh in the morning. Rich might be the best production guy in the country, and if he asked that question and Bobby blows up then they have material until the end of the season, bits, songs, whatever, and their presence at the press conference was in part to ask a question from the fans but also in part to get a reaction from Bobby, I don't think there's any possible way you can deny that. If Bobby blows up, I doubt they go after Edes, because what Edes wrote really wasn't anything sensational or negative about them.

T&R aren't typical sports talk show hosts, and I think that what they do every morning is refreshing, entertaining, and overall fantastic radio. But flipping out on Edes like that was, IMO, an overreaction due to the fact that they didn't get the bit they wanted from Bobby.
 

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Judge I think you are both right here. Fred's overall rant was misguided because no one really made a big deal about it other than him. Shaugnessy, knowing how they can be (seemingly) jokingly said, "Don't get the press pass girl fired." I heard Mazz the day Rich was in there and he was genuinely happy for Rich and was genuinely excited about the tweets coming from someone that isn't bored with it because they go in there every day. You covered the Edes stuff which wasn't that bad.

On the other hand JMOH's post is spot on about how the media in general treats outsiders, not necessarily Edes. I think Fred blew up because of the way he and Rich have been treated as outsiders as well as newcomers to the sports scene. Much of it is their doing but a good portion is the attitude of the long time Boston Sports Media as well.