Rosenthal: Mookie and LAD in agreement: 12/$365

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he's always hit homers in bunches, after the first 2 HR last night I knew he'd hit a 3rd.

and yes, that first HR was absolutely insane from him. he rarely drives it to the opposite field, but he has another HR into Arizona's pool this season.
 

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While I really really really will miss Mookie, it's clear that after '18 (not just in hindsight either, damnit) that DD really hamstrung the team by signing Eovaldi and Sale and it was clear Mookie was the cost. Terrible decision. But it's done and over with and I'm not going to go SJH apeshit over it every game.
But yeah... that 3HR night was like a kick in the nuts.
Whatever... I like the Dodgers and hope they win one with Mookie and hope they beat the Yankees with Mookie in a WS for one of those WS victories.... t
 

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it's the organizational failure to produce any cheap pitching that led to this moment. the pandemic changing Mookie's calculus on going to FA certainly didn't help.
 

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he's always hit homers in bunches, after the first 2 HR last night I knew he'd hit a 3rd.
It's absolutely ludicrous that you "knew he'd hit a 3rd." It defies all logic or baseball sense. And yet, while watching the game before the third homerun I said to my son, "Watch, he's going to hit another one right here." I was so certain of it. I didn't even feel satisfied by my own call (which probably has a little to do with the laundry he is wearing). It didn't surprise me at all when he did.
To write that is completely ridiculous and yet it is 100% true.
 

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sometimes you just know when a guy you've watched for years is locked in.

of course the pitcher throwing a hanging splitter was a big part of it.
 

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Between Betts, their poor treatment of ee’s through covid, Henry’s treatment of the globe union (newspaper guild)...its been very easy to abandon the Sox this season. Haven’t turned into a single game...I’ll be back at some point I’m sure, but the mismanagement that led to losing Betts is a disaster.
 

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Between Betts, their poor treatment of ee’s through covid, Henry’s treatment of the globe union (newspaper guild)...its been very easy to abandon the Sox this season. Haven’t turned into a single game...I’ll be back at some point I’m sure, but the mismanagement that led to losing Betts is a disaster.
But you are missing the 11 ads that are on the screen full time from the center field camera shot.
When they are going bad, and I expected bad this year, I could still enjoy the sight of a Fenway game. Even that is more difficult this year.

As for Mookie, if his oppo stroke is for real he really could get to another hitting level. But still, the Sox did what they had to do last winter, imo.
 
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Between Betts, their poor treatment of ee’s through covid, Henry’s treatment of the globe union (newspaper guild)...its been very easy to abandon the Sox this season. Haven’t turned into a single game...I’ll be back at some point I’m sure, but the mismanagement that led to losing Betts is a disaster.
Can you expand on this?
 

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Not viewable while not logged in, and no chance I'm giving anything the way of any organization that employs or supports the aforementioned person.

Get rid of him, and then I'll start reading it again for the first time in like 25 years.
 

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I'm genuinely curious to hear why you feel this way. I feel like I've missed something completely.
I read the whole article...and it boils down to...he just decided to swing and bit the fuck out of the ball.

Everything else trying to explain what he usually does in that situation is just boring.
 

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I read the whole article...and it boils down to...he just decided to swing and bit the fuck out of the ball.

Everything else trying to explain what he usually does in that situation is just boring.
Are you...unfamiliar with what Fangraphs does? This sort of article is sort of their M.O. The author saw Betts do something, recognized it was unusual for him to do that but that if did start ambusing outside fastballs it would make him really hard to pitch to, as first pitch outside fastballs is pretty much the way the league approaches him. I enjoyed reading the article, but that's just me. I don't understand though why, if you disliked it, you felt compelled to bring it up.
 

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Has anyone ever said this? Come on.
Of course not, but since when has that stood in the way of people trying to make a point?

I think the argument has been he's had only one truly GREAT season amidst a bunch of very good ones, with "GREAT" being some vague standard of being worthy of a $35M+ per year deal. I think it's a silly argument. He's clearly one of the five best players in the game and has been for a few years. He deserves to be paid accordingly. That doesn't mean that a team signing him to that kind of deal is doing the best thing for itself, especially when it requires making a 12-13 year commitment. He's worth it now. Will he still be worth it in 5-6 years, let alone 12? That's debatable.
 

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Of course not, but since when has that stood in the way of people trying to make a point?

I think the argument has been he's had only one truly GREAT season amidst a bunch of very good ones, with "GREAT" being some vague standard of being worthy of a $35M+ per year deal. I think it's a silly argument. He's clearly one of the five best players in the game and has been for a few years. He deserves to be paid accordingly. That doesn't mean that a team signing him to that kind of deal is doing the best thing for itself, especially when it requires making a 12-13 year commitment. He's worth it now. Will he still be worth it in 5-6 years, let alone 12? That's debatable.
Exactly. Mookie has to put up the 6+ WAR seasons now to make up for the back end. It's all downhill after 30. IMO, the Sox did precisely what you should do in this case. The fact that we got Verdugo AND Downs is pretty extraordinary.

This season is hard to watch, but actually is perfect for the Sox - as long as we make it to Sept. 1.
 

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First 6 seasons defensive WAR, Mookie Betts 10.3, Willie Mays 4.8. If you think Mookie Betts is twice the defender Willie Mays was, I don't know what to tell you. Defensive WAR is mostly useless today and completely useless historically.
..he's a center fielder playing right field. I'm sure his defensive war would be lower if he were in center, and his positional adjustment would be better. Al Kaline is a comparable here.
 

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Yeah. I don’t buy any defensive metrics, and think it heavily skews Betts career in a way that watching nearly every game of his Sox career didn’t match.

I thought he was mediocre to good last season. Compared to Xander, who was out of his mind last year. Mookie (who outside of his last moment for the Sox,the scamper home) didn’t stand out at all. Yet in 10 years we will look at the stat line and go “WOW SO MUCH WAR“.
 

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Don't forget the part of the sentence after the dash, though.
I'll start reading you once you're not with an organization affiliated with him anymore.
In the meantime, you're in a position to do more about him than most of us are, so...
So, do you work for the Red Cross or AmFar or what? I’m sure I’ve had colleagues who are worse humans than Shaughnessy in my life; I envy you if you haven’t.
 

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Don't forget the part of the sentence after the dash, though.
I'll start reading you once you're not with an organization affiliated with him anymore.
In the meantime, you're in a position to do more about him than most of us are, so...
Umm, I'm pretty sure he's not in a position to do anything about Shank, fortunately or unfortunately. Unless he won the lottery or something when I wasn't paying attention.
 

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Just words on a podcast, but here's something from Mookie.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/26/sports/who-should-win-baseballs-postseason-awards/
Mookie Betts had some interesting comments while appearing on the R2C2 podcast with CC Sabathia and Ryan Ruocco.

He said the Red Sox also considered a deal with the Padres before sending him to the Dodgers. He also praised the Sox front office for “doing a great job” by keeping him informed of the developments.

“I thought [being traded] was going to hurt. It didn’t hurt initially,” Betts said. “But a couple of days later it was kind of sad a little bit.”

Betts also discussed his decision to sign a long-term contract with the Dodgers.

“The misconception was that I was just looking for this huge payday … that wasn’t really the case. I was just looking for fair market value,” he said. “The Dodgers came with a fair offer.”

Betts said he didn’t like Los Angeles in his previous visits, but he and family have come to love it. He also purchased a home that is a 20-minute drive from Dodger Stadium.
 

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“The misconception was that I was just looking for this huge payday … that wasn’t really the case. I was just looking for fair market value,” he said. “The Dodgers came with a fair offer.”

Sorry, I love Mookie, but this is bullshit. He WAS looking for a huuuge payday. That Dodgers offer was way below his counter to us. He wanted TOP OF THE market value. The market just changed due to COVID, and he capitulated.
 

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Doesn't that narrow it down to within a mile of Dodger Stadium?
I lived in Los Feliz and could easily get to Dodger Stadium in 15 minutes if it wasn’t right before a game (so no sweat when Mookie’s commuting). Silver Lake an easy shot, probably parts of Glendale... and conceivably even DTLA.

He won’t be near the beach though.
 

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“The misconception was that I was just looking for this huge payday … that wasn’t really the case. I was just looking for fair market value,” he said. “The Dodgers came with a fair offer.”

Sorry, I love Mookie, but this is bullshit. He WAS looking for a huuuge payday. That Dodgers offer was way below his counter to us. He wanted TOP OF THE market value. The market just changed due to COVID, and he capitulated.
Didn't the Sox offer him 10/$300, a year? So yeah, this is bullshit.