Ruth and Williams were two of the five best players in the history of the game. Mookie isn’t at that level.
Agree with this but also wasn’t possible under the tax situation. Terms are irrelevant.
Given that they have a SS waiting in the wings (Gavin Lux), I doubt they have any interest in re-signing Seager. The same goes for Pederson. They have DJ Peters waiting in the wings to replace him. A bigger problem for them is going to be finding someone to take Pollock off their hands as he’s essentially a fourth OF making starter money.
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10/350 would really have been a better offer than he ended up getting, as his extension is only a hair over $30M AAV. He'd only have to make, what, $15M in the two years after your proposed deal to break even? I'd have to think that would get it done.
They already had him in house to make their immediate GFIN push, and given the surrounding circumstances I have my strong doubts this "doing whatever it takes" doesn't amount to them simply bidding against themselves here.
I agree. And when it happens, I will be pissed all over again. If you have a young face of the franchise who is in the top 25 all-time in WAR for his age, you don't trade him. If you overpay to keep him, so what? I could give 2 shits about international slot money or losing draft picks. This is so fucking stupid.
So historical comps are useless, and we can just say short players age worse now?
I didn't say they're useless or that only short players age worse now. All players age worse now. That's not news. But look at your list.. The most recent guy you have on there that would suggest he'll be worth this deal in the second half of it is Joe Morgan (and yes, I see Knobluach but I have no idea why , his last season of putting up more than 1 WAR was at 30, yips or not.) Point being, when your strongest case retired in 1984 at age 40, you can't just ignore that circumstances are different and greenies most likely were a factor.
Right, and he's FAR exceeded that $35mil/yr value through his career so far, even with our hand-wringing in this thread about defense or 'only' being a top-10 offensive player. If he continues to exceed $35 mil in value the first half of the contract, then the back half is likely still worth it, although there are certainly knock-on effects for roster construction as he declines.
Yes, but he gets to play the Padres 19 times. He also gets to play more games in Coors. And he'll face Miami more often. If anything, he might get there sooner.
Actually — nerd alert — Coors Field is to date his single worst venue for hitting: .311 career OPS in his whopping 10 plate appearances there.
Something of a contrarian perspective and we will never know for sure, but there is a lot of assuming in this thread that if Mookie doesn't get traded and BOS has payroll space and offered him a $350M deal, that he signs with BOS. To me that's far from clear and even unlikely, Mookie can see as well as anyone how BOS currently looks long-term and I think it's really likely he would have signed elsewhere and BOS would have ended up with nothing but a compensation pick (a la NY and Cano). The Giants' beat writer on The Athletic wrote a sad piece yesterday about how SF had planned to go after Mookie hard this winter, and there's a good chance the new Mets owner would have too, especially if it ends up as Steve Cohen, and I'm sure there would have been other suitors.
What if the season crashes because of COVID, and clubs are hurting for money going forward? With all the uncertainty, I think Mookie was offered a market value deal and took it. He could have been looking at a lesser deal in the offseason.
Or a bigger one with more teams allowed to bid on him, we'll never know.
My main point was your bolded above, and so I pulled EVERY short guy who could be considered comparable - my point is that few short guys are great at ANY age, not that they drop off. I didn't pull only the anecdotes that supported my case - I pulled every short guy.
You may be right. His intention may have been never to sign here. We were always told he was going to test the market. I think the market is murky going forward, plus I believe owners are going to tighten up because they have an excuse to tighten up. So he took this deal. He may also really love the Dodgers and LA.
Perhaps he does love LA, but he is building a HUGE house in middle TN...i happen to know the builder, so I'm not sure he is that tied to the area, at least not yet.
Meh...
Ah. Then my apologies, I missed that angle. I just think it's hard to comp to guys who were clearly in the PED era, even with greenies and like I said, players in general don't age as well anymore because of it.
Wow, I think that's super hot takez. They signed a top five pitcher in baseball to an extremely reasonable AAV of about $25M for a reasonable term of 5 years. Look at what Gerrit Cole just got. If you want to yell at Dombrowski and blame him for this, Eovaldi and Price are a better place to start. Our rotation right now is basically what it would be had he not extended him and resigned Mookie instead; you wanna roll with ERod as your ace?
My oldest kid was excited for baseball last night, we watched the MFY game and a couple of innings of the Dodgers' game. It was just so depressing with all the Mookie talk and the constant shots of Mookie smiling in the dugout that we turned the game off. Then my son had to bring up how weird it is going to be to see Brady in a Tampa uniform. 2020 really blows.
Impossible to know since they traded him about
