I get the sense that Belichick does what works for him, what's always worked for him. The failure of his assistants as head coaches over the years is that they've all seem to have adapted the BB approach without any of the previous success backing them up, and thus no one buys in.
100% on the bolded. I know Col. Jessup was the bad guy, but I would hope that if Bill were ever asked about the way in which he orchestrated the greatest (one of, at the very least) run in the history of team sports he would say something like: "I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who cheered and celebrated under the blanket of winning that I provided and then questions the manner in which I provided it."
And I can certainly empathize with Brady in that after 20 years of hearing the same things from his coach, after accomplishing pretty much everything he could have hoped for an more, he'd prefer a bit more leeway and special privileges from his coach. I get that completely. And in some ways he did get that in terms of access to Foxboro by his snake oil buddy Guerrero. But after that long it's hardly shocking that he got tired of the cold approach.
Again completely agree, we are in lockstep here! Id add that if he treated Brady differently it has possibility of opening up a can of worms...sure maybe the 53rd guy on the roster gets it, but maybe Gronk, Edelman, etc dont and want to start getting those special privileges too.
We do not in fact know the bolded. No one knows anything about that, and to me it's pointless to assume that we "know" that benching Butler cost them the game. We have zero idea of Butler's condition leading into that game.
That's totally fair, the point I was trying to make is that from a fans perspective it's easier to connect dots on negative repercussions than positive ones.
I've been in the same job for 23 years but have had several different bosses.
We wanted Bill on that sideline. We needed him on that sideline.
To the bolded point, Gronk going to Guerrero for conditioning/strength training in 2017 was precisely why Bill supposedly banished the latter from the locker room (which is why we saw Grumpy Tom getting his rubdown from Guerrero in a Gillette suite in Tom Vs. Time).
So maybe you’re the problem? ;-)
Apparently, Kraft speaks about this in the AppleTV piece. I doubt we learn anything new, however.
Supposedly Belichick completely avoids answering that question.
I've worked for same firm for 23 years but for my attorney for 17 of those and yea he irritates the heck out of me sometimes but for the most part I love working for him, knowing his quirks and how he likes things makes it much easier. The thought of starting over somewhere and having to learn all that about a new boss sounds dreadful. But then I've only a few years left (God willing) having to work, if I was younger I might could see where starting over could seem more desirable.
It was being talked about this morning and apparently in the interview they asked BB about it he said Something along the lines of “We talked about that” implying it was discussed before they started filming and BB said he wouldn’t talk about it and they asked him anyways.
Just listened to the segment on Sirius - classic Mad Dog. Benedict is great and I think the answers I like are true…but he won’t dignify the Rams walkthrough story or Deflategate so you gotta wonder about the integrity of that reporting!
Which was also Zolaks condo which he sold to Ty hence the passed down comment.
I wonder what it retails for now, especially with Brady having lived there.
It's different in the corporate world. If you work for the same boss for 20 years, you might just feel like you need to get out from under him/her so you can move up, if you're ambitious. Brady OTOH, can't get promoted to super quarterback or any other title (well, he earned that title on his own!).
I get that. I’m just talking about the relational angle. I just don’t know many people who have worked for the same boss for 20 years, and those that have (few and far between) have of course experienced lots of tension and conflict along the way.
This is a fantastic callout.
I took that as Bill letting his annoyance at the media's adulation of Brady slip through the cracks and I can't imagine Tom's reaction being anything other than "oh, fuck you" at the time.
I had season tickets back then and was as into the pats as humanly possible. My memory of that year was the team was that they had something going and that maybe they were going to be...? Then they hit the game against the Rams and even though they lost I felt the whole stadium came away thinking something along the lines of watch out of this team makes the playoffs.
I was at that game. That was my first game in quite awhile. I was a sophomore in college but on Co-op (Thanks Northeastern!) and my dad and a friend just started going together quite a bit to games. It was a night game, they had to work, offered me the tickets and me and a buddy and I went down on the train for the game. 100% agree with you, they lost, but it was a moral victory. "Damn, if they can hang with the Rams, maybe we have something here" and as they said in the show, they fucked up about 5 times massively and still were in it.
My son bought a red Judon jersey on clearance a few weeks ago at Fanatics.com. That didn't seem like a good sign, but I haven't heard any Judon rumors since.
I found the Bledsoe stuff extremely interesting as to how Kraft was involved, Bledsoe went to Kraft multiple times. Kraft felt that he betrayed Bledsoe, but his hands were tied.
Didn’t they have the ball at like the 1 yard line near the end of the half, going in to score to tie it up and then fumbled. The Rams scored again before the half. Huge swing. I remember thinking hmmm, they could have won that game.
I'll take it to my grave that the play should have been blown dead for forward progress.
Yeah once they’ve all been released you can binge them. Apple TV is awesome though, lots of good stuff.
Thanks, figured they would be. I wasn't blown away by Apple TV when I had it, and not really looking to ad another ongoing streaming service. But definitely need to see this, and beyond cost, I would rather watch it all at once over a weekend anyway.
Episode 4 is Spygate, which I think is going to break ground, mainly in that we’re probably going to get some quotes from people who have never gone into any sort of detail on it.
I agree with this. We were blessed to have both Brady and Belichick. Did BB have a way of coaching that was especially tough, particularly in terms of the personal? Obviously. Is Brady as a "beaten dog" or whatever a bit over the top? Probably. But this is something that, to me, is unfathomably short-sighted and an indictment of BB's lack of judgment, at least in this limited (but hugely consequential) area:
Yeah I hear you. But from the sounds of it, Brady himself said that there was no way he was returning to the Patriots. That sound bite is in this documentary, apparently. So even if BB was willing to give Brady that contract, from Brady's own words, he wasn't going to say yes.
Huh. I had thought that that was due to Brady's originally asking for that contract and BB rebuffing it. Previous to that final stand-off during his last off-season in N.E. It was because of BB's previous unwillingness to extend. That said...
