Ah, didn't realize that. Going to be very, very hard to sell him on a discount in that case, I think.
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I think signing him long-term, while possible, is not their preferred move. I think they’re exploring all possibilities.
I just watched a short interview with Walsh post his first workout with the team today, he was asked if he met any of the players, and he said Grant, who was joking around with him while in the weight room. It's worth a listen because the exchange he mentioned was really funny. It says something that Grant is around the facility, working out, in a good mood
Pretty disappointing free agency period so far. A lot of good, cheap signings by other contenders (Watanabe & Keita Bates-Diop with the Suns and Richardson with the Heat) that would have been good gets for the Cs. Not against the Brisset signing but so far it just doesn’t look the Cs are attracting the same caliber of vet minimum talent as other contenders.
The Celtics don't have minutes to give guys all the guys you mentioned are slotting into the top 7 for those teams
Would have to think that if they were giving Jaylen the full super max it would have been announced by now, right?
Maybe. I see LaMello's was just announced minutes ago. Edwards in Minny hasn't been announced yet.
Might be negotiating on options, might just be waiting until closer to when it can happen to announce (can't happen until the 5th)
Reach of a theory: PDX signs Grant to keep Dame happy, but he bolts anyway. They have Scoot and Grant now; they call Boston on Brown. Scoot/Brown/Grant is at least marketable and competitive. With Grant signed they’d rather have another star than flotsam from the Heat.
Why does Jaylen want to stay in PDX? That's where this doesn't make much sense
Always the issue.. Jaylen has pretty low trade value because you have zero guarantee it's more than a rental
This. Was going to post this same thing. These guys want opportunities to earn minutes and see roadblocks up and down the Celtics lineup. This is a good thing
Could be that they're negotiating with Jaylen to extend him for something less than the Supermax, but more than he could get as a UFA.
It is a possibility, but that has a strong potential to anger Jalen more
What can Jaylen do? Play out the year to become a UFA and then make less money from a different team that's probably worse than the Celtics?
Something that came to mind is that both Jaylen and Grant are part of the executive committee for the players' union so they both potentially understand the complications of the new CBA more than most. That could potentially help in negotiating with them (or, I suppose, it could complicate the negotiations more).
He can play out the year, and have 100% choice of where he will spend the next 5 years of his life after that. yes he will give up substantial money to do that, but he will hardly be poor getting 52 million a year instead. you do run the risk of a career ending injury, but probably have insurance there
It's not really true that he has a 100% choice of where he'll spend the next five years. He can choose from teams with max cap space, which typically aren't good teams (as we saw this year). Or he can try to get a sign and trade going, but what is the incentive for Boston to be a part of that process? Not to mention that Boston can't sign and trade a player if they're a second apron team in the new CBA, so I think if I'm understanding that CBA language right, an S&T is a non-starter.
If Jaylen Brown is going to sign in like Utah or Houston or Indiana and be on a non-competitive team for less money simply because he's angry at the Celtics, then that sounds like a really dumb, irrational decision to me.
Sure, we probably sign him on the max extension, but IMO it would be short-sighted of him to take it as a slight and walk if they try to pay him $5 million less.
I think this is the rare theory where neither team would even consider doing it.
Dame doesn’t want to go to Boston. I would venture a guess that Jaylen wouldn’t want to go to PDX. Why would either team want to do that deal for an unhappy player? It makes no sense
It makes less than no sense. What makes sense is actual reporting:
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2023/07/01/jaylen-brown-celtics-extension-latest-nba-free-agency-news-rumors/
Bingo. The Celtics ain’t gonna get good young players for these roles so that they can rot on the bench.
My guess is that they're wrangling over the fifth year (and whether it's an option or no).
Too logical. It has to mean that Jaylen doesn’t want to be here, that Brad doesn’t want Jaylen and Brad’s in deep cover negotiating to trade Jaylen for a much worse fit, someone who’s older, or both.
How bout they offer him five years $270,000,001? Certainly the biggest contract in NBA history should be acceptable, no? Even if it’s $25 million shy of what they could offer..
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ha ha...somebody please, please, please take our 2nd team All-NBA player.
There is a dearth of WINGS, Cleveland was forced to overpay for Strus.
I've come around to Brown on a super MAX will be worth a lot next season (if it comes to that)
You are correct, he's ineligible.
The rules have one more trick in there, which is why no trade clauses are so rare.
It has to be for a new contract. A new no trade clause can not be included in an extension.
I feel like there would have been some wing minutes for JRich - that's a bit of a disappointment to me.
Bogans in the one guy in that photo who had absolutely no business being pissed. To make the cap numbers work, he was given a guaranteed $5 million contract that he would never have gotten otherwise. He made a total of $19.1 million in his 11 years NBA career, $5.06 of it coming in that final year with the Celtics, the most he ever made in a season. He played 6 games and 55 minutes as a Celtic and was then out of the league.
He should have been happy as a clam to cash in on that $5 million.
I love telling this story.....
Joe Kleine had already announced his retirement, but hadn't filed papers yet, and taken a job as a television analyst...then he signed a 1-yr deal to make numbers work for a multi-player trade which was the highest single season contract in his entire career.
Unless this is Celtics-only, Keith Van Horn has to be on this list. At the 2008 Trade deadline, Van Horn accepted a 4.5M contract to sit on the bench for month in order to make salaries match in the Jason Kidd to Dallas trade. Van Horn hadn’t played since 2005.
He counts:
C: Joe Kleine, $1.2M
PF: Keith Van Horn, $4.3M
SF: ?
SG: Keith Bogans, $5.1M
PG: ?
Well you could fill your deep bench with all the jokers (Satuskas, Morgan, Fitts) Brad sent to Indiana last year in the Brogdon deal
I wouldn't be opposed to giving an honorary seat to Udonis Haslem just because.
Maybe a separate "All-Favors" Team like when Pitino took Billy Donovan with him to the Knicks from Providence and going back to the mid-70's when David Thompson brough his "best buddy" 5-6 Monte Towe with him for a couple years in Denver. Giannis' brother is another.
One of the most valuable contracts in Boston Celtics history should always have a seat at the table.
Aaron McKie was an assistant coach for the Sixers and yet somehow the Lakers got to include him in the trade that netted Pau Gasol. He's the PG on this lottery team. And eff LA.
Fortunately, the CBA has since close this absurd loophole, as a player traded must now have had an active contract with the team the prior season in order to be used in salary matching.
Houston has to be out with Brooks signing, no? Think it’s just SA, who I doubt is that interested in tying up cap space, Celtics, and MLE. I guess there are still S&T scenarios available too, right?
4 for $48MM would be nice.
OR
Maybe he does something shorter-dated (player option based) to get another crack at a payday?
If I were his agent I think I'd advise the former. With the new CBA you just don't know how the middle class contracts are going to look. Better to get a bag now, even if it's less than he was hoping. He still may have a chance for another decent contract after the four year term.
3/37 with a player option would be a snap match imo. Honestly anything at the MLE would be, unless there's a particularly good S&T offer.
Can't he be traded in Dec or January regardless?