You shut your whore mouth.The Social Chair said:It's going to be a downer if we have to hear his awful color commentary on ESPN/ABC again.
Sox and Rocks said:Just mentioned this in the April game thread, but the rumor here in Colorado is that George Karl will be coaching the Warriors next year.
As is Rivers, who simply chooses to go with a different style.
"If it's 75% (who believe one way), that's to me 25% that (don't)," Rivers said. "To me, if it's 95%, the 5% deserve the same treatment as everybody else. And I just think that's what we need to do. If it was church, then that's different. This is not church. This is our jobs. So our jobs come first, respect comes second, and I think that's the way it should be."
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Golden State has fired coach Mark Jackson, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
Rondo and one of the #1's please do it Danny.jsinger121 said:Expect Steph Curry to want out.
They will never ever trade him. But Ainge should still call with the intent of offering anything and everything.jsinger121 said:Expect Steph Curry to want out.
RedOctober3829 said:Rondo and one of the #1's please do it Danny.
Devizier said:Rondo, a #1 and Ryan Mallett for Curry.
Could the players have achieved a 51-win season in spite of the dysfunctional basketball operations that Jackson led?Kliq said:Jackson got his players to play for him. It's REALLY hard to make a bunch of multi-millionaires listen to a coach and believe in him, and only a few guys in the league are able to do that. That is what made Jackson special, and that is why it will be hard to replace him.
With that being said, part of being in any form of management is learning to play the game. Being a shrewd politician is almost as important as being a successful coach/executive when it comes to job securirty. Jackson was a great leader, but I don't think he fully understood what it takes to work with management.
HomeRunBaker said:Could the players have achieved a 51-win season in spite of the dysfunctional basketball operations that Jackson led?
I don't know the answer but the gushing that Jax is this great leader when his coaching staff was falling apart and backstabbing each other indicates that he had lost control of that locker room.
Yes the players played hard but look at the personnel......Iguodala, always went hard.....Bogut, always professional.....Lee, Curry, Thompson.....all players who have big motors. Did these players really play hard for Jackson or did they play hard because that's the only way they know how to play, are all known as team oriented player, and are really good at NBA basketball?
I think it's more likely that he joins the studio crew before this round is over.jon abbey said:I hated him as a player after maybe a season or so (I am a Knicks fan) with his fat-ass backdown move in the post, I violently hated him as an announcer, and I am glad to see him fired even though he seemed to do an OK job (although GS has quite a bit of talent, especially after adding Iguodala this season).
Now I hope he never ever works again in any NBA-related capacity, especially as an announcer. Go be a fulltime preacher so I never have to hear or see you again. Bye bye.
Kliq said:
You bring up a good point, but there are instances that the Warriors have shown that they have a special commitment to their coach. On Sunday, one of the color guys told a story about how the whole team showed up at Jackson's church to support him, and it brought him to tears.
Statman said:
Clarification to that story. Jackson spent roughly two hours on the Sunday before Game 2 against LAC delivering sermons instead of studying tape and preparing his team.
The Warriors lost Game 2 by 40 points.
http://www.dailynews.com/sports/20140420/golden-states-mark-jackson-keeping-the-faith-through-uncertainty
I also shed now tears for his firing because Jackson is an asshole of the highest grade. Some of his highlights include:
Jackson stabbing HOF John Stockton in the back by imploding the Jazz lockerroom when he was a player there:
http://jazzbasketball.wordpress.com/2014/01/09/jazz-mythbusters-mark-jackson-vs-john-stocktons/
Proclaiming himself to be a Christian while cheating on his wife of 20 years with a stripper:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/new-york-hoops-legend-mark-jackson-extorted-stripper-naked-photos-feds-article-1.1104142
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
You don't like Mark Jackson, fine. But really? This post is silly. Do you know for a fact that Jackson didn't adequately prepare for the Clippers by studying and watching film? Do you know if Doc Rivers did more studying before the series and around the games? The answer is no, you do not. Please don't pretend otherwise. The series went to seven games and was won by the team that was at full strength. This thread is still on page two of this forum if Andrew Bogut is healthy.
However neither Stockton nor the teammates point him out explicitly as a culprit.
However I remain concerned because the Warriors had a guy with whom they had finally found success and had the team playing at a high level (and very efficiently on the defensive end I might add).
Statman said:
I freely admit that I have no clue whether the two hours Jackson spent delivering a sermon and reading passages from Colossians, but based on past quotes from Jackson himself, he doesn't really place a high value on practice and preparation. Would those two hours have made a difference? Who knows, but I would venture a guess that those hours could have been better spent than inside a church, preaching to a congregation the day before a critical Game 2.
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Actually, Greg Ostertag who was a teammate of both players explicitly stated in a radio interview (link in my previous post) that Jackson would "stir the pot" in the Jazz lockerroom. Seeing as how Stockton was the starter and Jackson the backup PG, I can easily imagine what the pot stirring entailed.
I don't put much value in Jackson's so-called coaching "success." In his first year as a coach, the Warriors were filled with scrubs such as Kwame Brown, Nate Robinson, Ekpe Udoh, Brandon Rush, Dorrell Wright, Jeremy Tyler, and Dominic McGuire. The best player on that team was Monta Ellis who is the epitome of a good stats on a bad team type of guy.
Once they dumped Ellis and those bums and started acquiring players like Andrew Bogut, Harrison Barnes, Carl Landry, Draymond Green, and Iggy their record no doubt improved markedly.
C'mon, man. This is like saying that Aaron Hernandez had a few problems with a few guys. Media following the Warriors have reported that he had not one ally in the front office. That's not something that happens to a good coach. That's what happens to a guy who can coach who is a total shitshow. The situation he created was such a tire fire that the Celtics were more than happy to pick up Erman after hearing his side of the story with regards to taping conversations. The stories he must have told had to be wacky to make that such a non-issue because Danny and company don't mess around.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:He wasn't perfect and he clearly had issues working with others in the organization.
"Ego clash" might be an understatement. Did you miss how he went "hmm, that Kidd youngster's firing one coach, I'm gonna shitcan two"?triniSox said:Steph loves Mark Jackson - there must be some real ego clashes between Mark Jackson and the front office for them to fire a coach with a team that performs upto/sometimes exceeding expectations and who has successfully groomed a superstar who loves him.
He gave several interviews on the topic and his take was that in order for a team to succeed, the whole coaching staff has to be on the same page - you can't have assistant coaches undermining your message or freelancing. Those points make sense to me. Sure maybe Mark Jackson is a terrible coach who doesn't deserve such gravitas but we've heard similar about Bill Belichick and his assistant coaches. Like it or not, the head coach of an NBA team has to be able to run his staff - if he wants to hire and fire assistant coaches, that should be well within his purview. Like I said, maybe Jackson was giving bad instructions or terrible Xs and Os which assistants felt they needed to override. But the results don't seem like he's a trainwreck.Blacken said:"Ego clash" might be an understatement. Did you miss how he went "hmm, that Kidd youngster's firing one coach, I'm gonna shitcan two"?
And he tried to fire Brian Scalabrine, so, really, fuck him.
Blacken said:C'mon, man. This is like saying that Aaron Hernandez had a few problems with a few guys. Media following the Warriors have reported that he had not one ally in the front office. That's not something that happens to a good coach. That's what happens to a guy who can coach who is a total shitshow. The situation he created was such a tire fire that the Celtics were more than happy to pick up Erman after hearing his side of the story with regards to taping conversations. The stories he must have told had to be wacky to make that such a non-issue because Danny and company don't mess around.
Mark Jackson got fired because Mark Jackson was scared that Mark Jackson was gonna get fired. Mark Jackson.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
You are comparing this to Aaron Hernandez? Really?
I will grant you (as Chuck did during the TNT panel's analysis) that Jackson clearly did a poor job managing around and up. That said, he had the most important part -the locker-room - right and he got results. I defy anyone to tell me the Warriors underperformed this season. They were a flawed team and he had some work to do on offense.
A couple of points of clarification - if we find out that the front office offered him a chance to come back IF he agreed to add some stronger assistants then I have to give them the benefit of the doubt. Also, you cite the Erman situation but it really had nothing to do with Jackson that I've read. The GM fired Erman and the complaints came from other coaches and players. Not Jackson. Again, its his guy so he wears the blame but it wasn't Jackson firing Erman or anything like that.
triniSox said:.... Like it or not, the head coach of an NBA team has to be able to run his staff - if he wants to hire and fire assistant coaches, that should be well within his purview. Like I said, maybe Jackson was giving bad instructions or terrible Xs and Os which assistants felt they needed to override. But the results don't seem like he's a trainwreck.
Tangled Up In Red said:ESPN reporting Dubs got Kerr for 5 / $25.
As a fan, I'm pretty pleased!
And Jackson had to go (a week late on that debate). Team lost too many winnable games, simply and he was too arrogant to get help.
You're not crazy IMO. I like Kerr but somehow the echo chamber built up Kerr into a top candidate for multiple positions.Ed Hillel said:Am I crazy for thinking that is a ton of money and committment for a guy who has never coached?