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TRADE DEADLINE GAME THREAD
- Thread starter AlNipper49
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The Orioles made a huge splash yesterday acquiring W.Miley. The AL East division race is now over. The Red Sox are competing for the wild card.
I think you're underselling that trade. It's just a question of who will be playing the Orioles in the World Series now.
LOL.
I was thinking about a nightmare scenario that could actually happen (not too far fetched in other words). Here it is: the Yankees trade C.Beltran to the Red Sox for M.Kopech. That would be torture.
Still rumors about Beltran floating around. MFY's would likely want to start with Moncada if they are trading in the division.
Giving Kopech for a couple months of Beltran would be crazy, if the Yankee's ask for Moncada for him it just means they won't trade him to the Sox.
This was discussed yesterday and it was hard to come up with the right level prospect for Beltran. The top tier are too good and the next tier are too meh.
This was discussed yesterday and it was hard to come up with the right level prospect for Beltran. The top tier are too good and the next tier are too meh.
They can ask for however much they want. They're still not getting anything even close to top tier for a 39-year-old two-month rental.
Just had to take my glasses off, and clean them, think they were dirty......Wow, it says ask For Moncada? Be right back, Im calling the Queen of England to ask her is she wants to go to a siwngers party with me.
Thanks for getting the boards back up Nip. Didn't know what I was going to do without being able to obsessively refresh the trade threads today.
I just want a reliever without giving up one of the top 5, though I don't know if that's possible after the crap the Yankees just pulled. Don't know why they'd be seriously considering Beltran at this point.
I just want a reliever without giving up one of the top 5, though I don't know if that's possible after the crap the Yankees just pulled. Don't know why they'd be seriously considering Beltran at this point.
Agreed, and I think they know that as well, but at the same time they likely can still get a couple more interesting young arms from someone else than they could from Boston.
Also I suspect they wouldn't ask for Moncada. I suspect the ask would start with Groome, knowing it isn;t going to happen, but that is the piece which would seem to match the Yankees org needs most (I know Moncada matches every orgs need, but they know he is untouchable)
Yeah it is hard to find a match. Sox aren't desperate enough to give up one of Groome, Kopech or Devers. Not for Beltran, nor should they. And beyond those 3 there really is nothing that seems like a match given the Yankees absurd depth now. My guess is the Yanks are trying to add some of their depth pieces to Beltran and others in order to raise the return. And that is not really a fit for the Sox who don't need depth pieces either
A reasonable return for Beltran is 2 lower tier prospects plus taking on the rest of the contract. 2 months of a 40-year old rental should not cost that much. They have given up on the season already and I'd think they'd want to open up the roster spot to bring up Aaron Judge when he is healthy.
I honestly think the LF upgrade in September could be Benintendi. Guy is hitting .295/.357/.515/.872, with 8 homers in 63 games in AA. I think there's a very real chance he will be MLB ready (not just as a bench guy, but as a LF upgrade) by then.
If they wanted a LF all this time, I wonder why they didn't send out feelers for Jay Bruce (assuming they hadn't) and just flipped him this off-season.
Hoping it's just a check in on asking price w/rt to Beltran, otherwise I don't really get it.
Either way, it's such a marginal way to upgrade, I hope they don't do anything, and like the rest of the board, see what Benintendi can do.
Hoping it's just a check in on asking price w/rt to Beltran, otherwise I don't really get it.
Either way, it's such a marginal way to upgrade, I hope they don't do anything, and like the rest of the board, see what Benintendi can do.
I don't disagree. I suspect the Yankees would have traded Beltran for the 2 relievers they received as part of the Miller deal, and neither was ranked high in the Cleveland system. I don't see a match with Bos and NY because the low level lottery ticket types in the Boston system at the moment are batters, and the Yank system is already loaded with low level lottery ticket batters. I guess having 20 lottery tickets instead of 18 gives you a slightly better chance of hitting it big
They do have the option of offering him arbitration and either keeping their best hitter at DH moving forward, or have him sign somewhere else and get the #1 pick in return
Based on speculation around, sounds like the Sox would be interested in bringing him in not just for the last 2 months, but also to see if they like him enough to be DH next yea
Yeah, unless the Yankees get super desperate and just want a guy then fine, but let's not really pursue this.
I'll admit in a game thread that it is super frustrating to see that for all of the $$$ and prospect capital DD has spent, the Red Sox are barely hanging on to a playoff spot, and are only 5 games up on the essentially giving up Yankees. It would really suck to give up anything meaningful to help their fire sale while marginally increasing the odds for the Red Sox.
I'll admit in a game thread that it is super frustrating to see that for all of the $$$ and prospect capital DD has spent, the Red Sox are barely hanging on to a playoff spot, and are only 5 games up on the essentially giving up Yankees. It would really suck to give up anything meaningful to help their fire sale while marginally increasing the odds for the Red Sox.
I thought this too, but this piece from last week convinced me that probably doesn't make sense for NY to risk:
http://riveraveblues.com/2016/07/as-great-as-hes-been-yankees-shouldnt-consider-beltran-a-qualifying-offer-candidate-141759/
Seconded. And if I could, thirded.
Do. Not. Trade. Benintendi. Or. Moncada.
Agreed. That's why I don't want to pursue that deal. I want some bullpen help, bring up Benintendi in September, and trust that these good players (especially guys like Price) will play like good players.
And the Sox should be just fine.
I more or less agree that we don't get Sale without including one of them at least, but is it literally true it's impossible otherwise? They'd say yes to Pomeranz/Devers/Swihart/Kopech/Groome, right?
If it comes to Sale and you can get him for AB and smaller pieces then I'd begrudgingly do it. But Moncada by all accounts is the next superstar in the minors. That would be a very tough pill to swallow if Yoan ends up being a 30/30 guy on a yearly basis with Chicago.
I think the Dodgers are more desperate for pitching and would include whatever it took to close a deal today. However, the Red Sox can put together a better overall package than LA can. I'm OK either way on the Benintendi front. If they move him for Sale, then it's one of a handful of players in MLB that I'd be OK to trade him for. If they don't, then the Sox simply keep him and hopefully bring him up to help the major league club. As far as Moncada, I don't want him moved at all costs. If he's the next superstar in baseball, then you don't give him up for anybody.
I would hope DD is on the phone looking for bullpen help. Boone Logan would be somebody I'd be really interested in as they need a power lefty.
I would hope DD is on the phone looking for bullpen help. Boone Logan would be somebody I'd be really interested in as they need a power lefty.
There are many possible trade permutations that they'd accept for Sale that don't include Moncada or Benintendi but that DD would not offer. Your proposal is one such deal. I'm sure they'd take Betts/Bogaerts/E-Rod, too. Not happening.
I think/hope it's similar to the Johan Santana trade talks were there were 2 separate packages on the table. One headed by Lester and the other by Ellsbury.
I think Betts and Bogaerts are clearly off the table, but add E-Rod to my group of names and there should be some combination that represents fair value for both teams. Whether you could find a deal that both teams would agree to, that's another stroy, my guess is no.
Regarding the Beltran to the Sox possibility (there are reports that they are one of the teams in the mix), do people think the Yankees would make a deal that might make a Boston playoff berth more likely? Several years ago, I seriously doubt it. Now, it seems like the border wars in this sport have cooled to the point that they actually would if they got the right return. And we know Cashman is in build mode.
As to Sale, just say no. Keep both of those prospects unless the haul is a true game changer, and I can't see how a Sale trade does that.
As to Sale, just say no. Keep both of those prospects unless the haul is a true game changer, and I can't see how a Sale trade does that.
I don't think this gets it done but I draw the line on a Benintendi, Swihart. ERod, Basabe and Dubon offer. Could be convinced to put in Shaw (ride with Hill/Holt at third for the rest of the year). But it would be very tough to part with AB, Swihart, ERod, Devers, and Kopech in the same package
we have 3 lefties in the rotation right now. I'd imagine ERod has to be going the other way if we get Sale
So they're asking for Moncada AB Kopech and probably Devers??? I've been a huge supporter of DD but if he does this...
They aren't getting Moncada and Benintendi for Sale. Benintendi, ERod, Kopech, and another prospect would be an acceptable framework.
Team needs a power lefty to replace Layne who is probably DFAed today. Logan is off the table because the Rockies are 12-5 since the break. No clue where to even go from here. The only way I would trade for Sale is if Pomeranz was a main piece going back to Chicago.
Phil Rogers is the MLB.com columnist for the White Sox.
Phil Rogers @philgrogers 3s4 seconds ago
Yoan Moncada viewed as unlikely piece in Chris Sale talks. Potential @RedSox package leads w/Andrew Benintendi, Eduardo Rodriguez.
Phil Rogers @philgrogers 3s4 seconds ago
Yoan Moncada viewed as unlikely piece in Chris Sale talks. Potential @RedSox package leads w/Andrew Benintendi, Eduardo Rodriguez.
As long as generational pitch-framing genius Christian Vazquez and All-Star Gritty Sparkplug BROCKHOLT! are included as two of Boston's "best" I'm okay with this news.
Otherwise, step back from the ledge, DDski!
It's all been said . .. but on the one hand, they'd be prohibitive favorites for the next few years, and it would be insurance for Price's opt out, with good free agents a few years away, and nothing imminent in the system coming up.
On the other hand, watching the kids is waaay more enjoyable for me personally and they're still a playoff team on paper, so I'm still passing.
On the other hand, watching the kids is waaay more enjoyable for me personally and they're still a playoff team on paper, so I'm still passing.
Phil Rogers @philgrogers 9s9 seconds ago
Complication w/Moncada is @RedSox having invested $63 million in bonus and taxes to sign him. Puts him in separate category.
Complication w/Moncada is @RedSox having invested $63 million in bonus and taxes to sign him. Puts him in separate category.
Sale is pretty game-changer-y, isn't he? I mean, if he isn't, who is? That turns Price, Porcello, Wright, Pomeranz, ERod into Sale, Price, Porcello, Pomeranz, Wright. Upgrading from this season's EdRo to Chris Sale is, well, damn nice (Or Pomeranz if he were in the deal instead of EdRo, but I think you know what I mean here). I think it would very much change the game this season. You're talking a top 3 that are hard to beat if Price figured something out this past weekend. Now, in the future? Who knows? ERod might turn into a guy as good and reliable as Quintana, or Porcello...or he might be the 2nd coming of Clay Buchholz. Uncertainty is the nature of the trade game. And obviously, it would take at least one of Benintendi and Moncada plus some other names that would have been included in the ML future of the Sox. But Sale is most definitely a game changer. He's one of the best pitchers in the game, period. That's a game-changer to me. Can you tell me what your definition of game changer is?
There is a difference between what they are seeking and what they would be offered. It's nice to want things.
Would have been better if they still had Espinoza, I can't imagine Pomeranz adds much value here.
I guess it boils down to how they view Devers. I tend to think he is pretty overrated and is more a 40-60 prospect than a top 20 prospect. Still has huge upside, but still has big questions, and is very far from a sure thing.
I also assume Swihart's trade value is very depressed at the moment. More of an interesting throw in rather than a key component
If the WS love Devers than maybe something like Devers, Kopech, Groome ++ makes sense, but I don't see the Sox wanting to deal both pitchers, and even so, I'm not sure that is enough.
Personally I try to keep Moncada, and everyone else is available for Sale. Sale is just that special.
Benitendi, One of the 2 pitchers. WS choice of any 2-3 guys outside the top 5, and i make that deal happen
I am sure ChiSox probably want the three best, but if the deal could be for three OF the best that would be more palatable.
Moncada should not be traded under any circumstance today. I would love for AB to stay also, but if DD is immovable in his desire to acquire Sale than I guess AB has to be the guy.
Would a package centered around AB, Kopech, Brian Johnson, Basabe, etc. get it done? Is there anyway to keep two of Moncada, AB, Devers?
Could the Sox put ERod in the deal?