What does 2023 look like?

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Play Turner when Crawford pitches because he is a fly ball pitcher. Play Chang when Bello pitches because he is an extreme ground ball pitcher. Play Hernandez against lefties as he has huge career platoon splits. Mix and match with those 3 guys. Arroyo isn’t good. He has never really hit, stayed healthy, and gives no flexibility.
 

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Play Turner when Crawford pitches because he is a fly ball pitcher. Play Chang when Bello pitches because he is an extreme ground ball pitcher. Play Hernandez against lefties as he has huge career platoon splits. Mix and match with those 3 guys. Arroyo isn’t good. He has never really hit, stayed healthy, and gives no flexibility.
He was above average as a hitter each of the last two years. I don't love his bat but he has made it work.
 

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Pretty sure Pablo Reyes is in this mix, too. With all the prospects the Red Sox have in AA, pretty sure they wouldn't have Reyes leading off & playing CF if they didn't have some sort of plan for him other than a DFA.
 

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hat is fine. I wouldn’t put up much of a fight of Arroyo over Hernandez. I value the flexibility over the slightly better hitting.
A totally fair point of view. I don't think it matters much either way. Kike obviously has the longer track record of success.
 

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It's an off-day, so I'm not worried about who's currently on the 26. We'll see if it changes between now and game time tomorrow
 

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The Sox are now 22-16 against the 12 teams with a better record than them. 18 of those games have been against the top 3 teams in baseball too.
 

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Sox are 5th in MLB in runs scored per game and 17th in ERA. 17th isn't great (and their defense drags is down a bit more even), but their monthly ERAs are 4.99, 4.36, 3.82, and 3.85, so they are trending in the right direction.
 

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Sox are 5th in MLB in runs scored per game and 17th in ERA. 17th isn't great (and their defense drags is down a bit more even), but their monthly ERAs are 4.99, 4.36, 3.82, and 3.85, so they are trending in the right direction.
Its interesting to consider how much predictive value this has in the context of a team like the Red Sox. We started with a bunch of nominal starters on the IL, got them back, then suffered injuries, but got lucky with the call-ups. I'm mildly surprised guys like Rodriguez and Bleier have done well since their recall from the IL.

Or to frame it another way - 27 pitchers (excluding Pablo Reyes) with 15 starters so far this year. Bello has the most with 16, then Houck with 13 and Paxton with 12.

Going by IP the top 5 are Bello (90), Pivetta (81), Crawford (71) Houck (67) Paxton (65).


For comparison, the top 5 Orioles by IP are 127, 115, 111, 97, 56.
The Jays are: 126, 124, 121, 103, 72.
The Yanks are: 129, 103, 99, 59, 54
Even the mix-n-match Rays are: 112, 106, 71, 62, 61.
 

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While we are all waking up in the afterglow of sweeping the 2 games against Atlanta, the Sox have flown through the night and have just landed in San Francisco. It would have made too much sense for them to have played the Giants just after their recent series against Oakland!
 

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While we are all waking up in the afterglow of sweeping the 2 games against Atlanta, the Sox have flown through the night and have just landed in San Francisco. It would have made too much sense for them to have played the Giants just after their recent series against Oakland!
Would have been convenient, but when juggling a 30 team schedule you're going to get some of this. Also, aren't they in Seattle next? With an off day it's not that big of an issue.

Edited to add that the Giants were in the middle of a road trip.
 

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Still in fourth place, but man, these are good times for the Sox.

1. Playing the best baseball in the sport this month.
2. Have made up 7 games in the division standings the past 24 days.
3. Offense is performing like the best in baseball recently.
4. A bunch of guys really playing well - Wong, Casas, Devers, Yoshida, Duran, Turner, plus pitchers.
5. Lots of young studs really starting to come into their own - Wong, Casas, Devers (yes he's still young), Duran, Bello, Winckowski, Murphy
6. To point 5, the farm system is finally producing at the major league level
7. TONS of talent in the minors now, and they're making their way up. Like...this is super exciting.
8. Financially (from a payroll standpoint) they're going to be in very good shape.
9. Lots of reinforcements on the way soon - Sale, Houck (hopefully!), Whitlock, Story.
 

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It's a good time to be Chaim Bloom. In just his fourth season he's gotten the Red Sox farm system to go from a bottom five ranking to a top five ranking, he's had a season of the team getting within two games of a WS appearance, and now a season where everything is lining up for another legitimate run at it. And the team seems to be set up for consistent year-to-year contention now, for the first time in quite a long time.
 

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Getting 1/3 of your lineup breakout with many years of control between them (Duran/Casas/Wong) is a real game changer. And add Bello to that.

Rafaela and Mayer will eventually give us 5 young players as a core, surrounded by Devers/Story/Yoshida and maybe Verdugo.
 

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Getting 1/3 of your lineup breakout with many years of control between them (Duran/Casas/Wong) is a real game changer. And add Bello to that.

Rafaela and Mayer will eventually give us 5 young players as a core, surrounded by Devers/Story/Yoshida and maybe Verdugo.
Worth noting that Duran and Wong are both older than Devers, who will turn 27 this October.

(Verdugo is also 27. Yoshida and Story are both 30.)

If Duran and Wong continue to play well, this core could be incredibly productive for the next few years.
 

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I know this is recency bias given how well they're playing, but honestly, this is as excited as I've been about the Red Sox in years, since the maturation of Bogaerts, Betts, and Benintendi. Seeing this young core blossom before our very eyes, knowing there's tons more coming up behind them in the system, gives me legit hope that they're not just needing to patch things together, but that this organization has an incredibly bright future. Present too, but future.
 

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For all the talk of prospects, it’s kind of funny to realize that a bottom five system had Bello, Casas, and Duran in it….and it’s hard to find any glowing reports on the potential of guys like Wong and Crawford from a few years ago. An inexact science- just never know who, how, when, and if guys will develop.
 
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For all the talk of prospects, it’s kind of funny to realize that a bottom five system had Bello, Casas, and Duran in it….and it’s hard to find any glowing reports on the potential of guys like Wong and Crawford from a few years ago. An in exact science- just never know who, how, when, and if guys will develop.
It's a great point. Some proportion of the so-so prospects flame out every year, but some much smaller proportion break out and materially improve their projections. If you could reliably predict which were which, well, you'd make an excellent farm director.
 

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For all the talk of prospects, it’s kind of funny to realize that a bottom five system had Bello, Casas, and Duran in it….and it’s hard to find any glowing reports on the potential of guys like Wong and Crawford from a few years ago. An inexact science- just never know who, how, when, and if guys will develop.
This is a good point, and probably one of the things that makes this sport such a rewarding long-form narrative.

We never really know how much of a player's growth can be attributed to their own efforts and how much is a result of structural factors implemented by the FO, like player development programs, pitch mix tweaks, one-on-one coaching, etc. Surely it's a mix, and impossibly to quantify.

Looking at this century, with the exception of Felix Doubront, I can't think of any homegrown Red Sox starting pitchers that weren't already top prospects take major leaps forward the way that Bello, Houck and Crawford have. (Lester was #22 on the BA Top 100 in 2005. Buchholz was #51 after one year in the minors.)
 

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For all the talk of prospects, it’s kind of funny to realize that a bottom five system had Bello, Casas, and Duran in it….and it’s hard to find any glowing reports on the potential of guys like Wong and Crawford from a few years ago. An inexact science- just never know who, how, when, and if guys will develop.
I think the latter are doing better than reported, though both were fV40 prospects which is a bench player for a hitter, and a back end starter for a pitcher.
Wong looks a bit better, and the jury is out on Crawford's role when everyone is healthy. He seems capable of starting with that big arsenal though.
 

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The thread is mostly "how the Sox look in 2023." But personally, Castig's presumed absence (not sure he travels to west coast anymore) will make it less so, but listening to games that matter after midnight in the dark is near the top of the "what I like about baseball" list for me. On one hand, it's sort of the opposite of the collective fan experience; but on the other, the "romantic" (in a baseball sense) part of knowing that I'm listening along with 3rd-shifters and the like reminds me of why I like this game. And I think the announcers know it too. (The good ones anyway). Anyone listening on radio to a tight 9th inning at 1AM is invested.
 

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The thread is mostly "how the Sox look in 2023." But personally, Castig's presumed absence (not sure he travels to west coast anymore) will make it less so, but listening to games that matter after midnight in the dark is near the top of the "what I like about baseball" list for me. On one hand, it's sort of the opposite of the collective fan experience; but on the other, the "romantic" (in a baseball sense) part of knowing that I'm listening along with 3rd-shifters and the like reminds me of why I like this game. And I think the announcers know it too. (The good ones anyway). Anyone listening on radio to a tight 9th inning at 1AM is invested.
Staying up for the full west coast games separates the men from the boys.
 

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I’m in my early 40s, so Castiglione and Trupiano told me a lot of bedtime stories as a child. I’m sad he’s on the way out. A tremendous broadcaster.
 

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I’m in my early 40s, so Castiglione and Trupiano told me a lot of bedtime stories as a child. I’m sad he’s on the way out. A tremendous broadcaster.
Much of my youth was spent in suburbia, out of range of the late edition of regular morning newspapers. So I often felt like I had some kind of insider knowledge.

Dont want to derail into nostalgia. I'm just glad that at this stage of 2023, these games matter.
 

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Really hope they can keep the momentum up on this West Coast trip. SF and Seattle aren’t world beaters but I’d be happy if we can split those six games. Then we come back for a big 3 game series against Toronto at home and then have 10 games against three of the worst teams, KC, Detroit, and Washington. A 13-6 record over those 19 games is eminently doable.
 

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The thread is mostly "how the Sox look in 2023." But personally, Castig's presumed absence (not sure he travels to west coast anymore) will make it less so, but listening to games that matter after midnight in the dark is near the top of the "what I like about baseball" list for me. On one hand, it's sort of the opposite of the collective fan experience; but on the other, the "romantic" (in a baseball sense) part of knowing that I'm listening along with 3rd-shifters and the like reminds me of why I like this game. And I think the announcers know it too. (The good ones anyway). Anyone listening on radio to a tight 9th inning at 1AM is invested.
Forgive the equivalent of some kind of emoji, but I really love this post. Totally relate.
 

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Really hope they can keep the momentum up on this West Coast trip. SF and Seattle aren’t world beaters but I’d be happy if we can split those six games. Then we come back for a big 3 game series against Toronto at home and then have 10 games against three of the worst teams, KC, Detroit, and Washington. A 13-6 record over those 19 games is eminently doable.
My thoughts as well. These West Coast trips always make me nervous. Even the best Sox teams were pretty shaky on these annual trips out West. However, I think Seattle are starting to just run out of gas.
 

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My thoughts as well. These West Coast trips always make me nervous. Even the best Sox teams were pretty shaky on these annual trips out West. However, I think Seattle are starting to just run out of gas.
I know there have been many bad ones, but for some reason, 2 good ones stick out from memory: a weekday game in Oakland when Manny hit a big, late HR into the empty OF stands; and a weekend day game in Seattle when Steven Wright pitched several crucial long relief innings in a comeback win. Maybe 2007 &13.
 

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Even with all of the bumps in the road earlier in the season, the team has a .539 record, which is an 87-win pace. I think most of us would have taken that back at the start of the season.
 

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The Red Sox are now third in run differential in the AL, and yet somehow 7th in playoff seeding (6th best record). Anyway, I guess you could see this as all very encouraging -- they are this good even after all the trials they've endured, and a couple of the teams they are chasing are overperforming their xW-L (by a game in the case of TOR and HOU and by a bizarre 7 games in the Orioles' case).
 

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Has there been any whisper whatsoever on Mondesi? He’d fix the Arroyo problem. I’m guessing he never suits up for us.
I don't think we will see him at all.
Per Cora:
View: https://twitter.com/peteabe/status/1685087451205992448?s=46&t=4DK5sD-8gsSKFExcsnEJqg

Cora got his monthly question on Adalberto Mondesi's status.

He's in Fort Myers doing "low-impact activities."

Back in the old days the Sox thought he'd be on the roster in April
 

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Just a non-trade post pointing out the obvious…. But it’d be great to return to Fenway taking at least 2/3 from Seattle to face the Jays. That Jays series already has me stressed out despite the team shredding them so far. It’s the perfect scenario over the next two weeks for them to get themselves in to a WC spot where they only have to focus on winning and not scoreboard watching.