What does 2023 look like?

YTF

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Just a non-trade post pointing out the obvious…. But it’d be great to return to Fenway taking at least 2/3 from Seattle to face the Jays. That Jays series already has me stressed out despite the team shredding them so far. It’s the perfect scenario over the next two weeks for them to get themselves in to a WC spot where they only have to focus on winning and not scoreboard watching.
I was thinking similarly. 5-3 would be a very respectable trip and get them back to 8 games over .500 as they get ready to face Toronto and close the WC gap between them.
 

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It’s looking more and more like this team won’t meet my expectation of being genuinely in the playoff hunt on Labor Day weekend.

They have 8 more games against lousy competition to stack some wins. Then it’s a 13 game meatgrinder that could mean lights out for the 2023 Sox.
 

donutogre

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It’s looking more and more like this team won’t meet my expectation of being genuinely in the playoff hunt on Labor Day weekend.

They have 8 more games against lousy competition to stack some wins. Then it’s a 13 game meatgrinder that could mean lights out for the 2023 Sox.
Given how poorly the Sox have done recently against the Giants, Mariners, and Blue Jays (with things very much up in the air against the Royals), I am absolutely dreading 7 games against Houston and 3 each against the Dodgers and Yankees. A 5-8 stretch there does not feel at all unreasonable given how things have been going.
 

dhappy42

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Anyone else remember the Red Sox’s 1978 collapse? When they blew a 14-game lead over the Yankees, resulting in a division tie-breaker and Bucky Fucking Dent’s game winning HR?

This team isn’t the ‘78 Sox, but being 4 games out of the wild card race with 47 games to play is far from insurmountable. It’ll take some luck though.

Edit: On Aug. 12, 1978, the Yankees were 8 games back.
 

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Anyone else remember the Red Sox’s 1978 collapse? When they blew a 14-game lead over the Yankees, resulting in a division tie-breaker and Bucky Fucking Dent’s game winning HR?

This team isn’t the ‘78 Sox, but being 4 games out of the wild card race with 47 games to play is far from insurmountable. It’ll take some luck though.
Small bonus we only need to tie Toronto.
 

Benj4ever

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Anyone else remember the Red Sox’s 1978 collapse? When they blew a 14-game lead over the Yankees, resulting in a division tie-breaker and Bucky Fucking Dent’s game winning HR?

This team isn’t the ‘78 Sox, but being 4 games out of the wild card race with 47 games to play is far from insurmountable. It’ll take some luck though.

Edit: On Aug. 12, 1978, the Yankees were 8 games back.
Still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Next time, why don't you just give me a papercut and pour lemon juice on it ;)
 

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What the hell kind of projection system was mlb.com using? Even the biggest pessimists had the Red Sox winning 74 or 75 games. Most were in the 80-85 range.
Eh, I mean the over/under was 77.5 this year (I'm looking forward to their 78th win). It's definitely very low, but it's not as outlierish as it looks.
 

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Remember after the All-Star Break when the morons doing projections had the Padres and Mets with a better chance at the post-season than the Sox? See, that's the thing about projections...they're always wrong!
 

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Remember after the All-Star Break when the morons doing projections had the Padres and Mets with a better chance at the post-season than the Sox? See, that's the thing about projections...they're always wrong!
I mean, if someone had a model that could predict the future with certainty, they wouldn't be giving it away on baseball analytics websites.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/chriscotillo/status/1701008433745740126?s=46

Garrett Whitlock returned to the Red Sox today from the bereavement list. His brother, Gavrie, drowned in Georgia last weekend.

Whitlock: "You never know how long you've really got with someone. Just make sure to hug the ones you love and make sure to tell them."
Whitlock was on the bereavement list because his brother drowned in Georgia last weekend
 

soxhop411

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Aw man, that's terrible.
It was apparently the infamous lake Lanier
BOSTON — When Garrett Whitlock stepped on the Fenway Park mound in the seventh inning of Sunday’s game, there was much more on his mind than baseball. Whitlock returned to the Red Sox on Sunday after spending a week on the bereavement list after his brother, Gavrie, drowned in Georgia last Saturday.


Gavrie Whitlock, 23, fell off a dock and drowned in Lake Lanier late on the night of Sept. 2, according to the Gwinnett Daily Post. Whitlock was placed on bereavement leave by the team the next day and spent a week away from the group before being activated Sunday. With the Sox leading, 7-3, manager Alex Cora called upon Whitlock in the seventh inning. Whitlock pitched two scoreless innings and recorded three strikeouts in his return.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2023/09/garrett-whitlock-shines-in-return-to-red-sox-after-brothers-tragic-death.html
 

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Holy cow. Eight deaths in just one year. 200 deaths in the last thirty years. How does that happen?
If you ask the locals it is because it's haunted. They flooded a bunch of ancient native burial ground to make the lake. I've been here for a year and I just heard this about 2 or 3 months ago after there was another drowning when a boat capsized.
 

moondog80

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Holy cow. Eight deaths in just one year. 200 deaths in the last thirty years. How does that happen?
People are shitty at assessing risk. If all drowning deaths were eliminated but 10% of that total died in shark attacks, nobody would ever go to the beach.
 

AB in DC

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I mean, the guy just slipped off the pier, according to news articles. Maybe it's just me but "slipping off the pier" doesn't sound like a significant death risk.

One of the other deaths Google served up for me was an electrocution. How on earth does a lake electrocute someone?
 

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I mean, the guy just slipped off the pier, according to news articles. Maybe it's just me but "slipping off the pier" doesn't sound like a significant death risk.

One of the other deaths Google served up for me was an electrocution. How on earth does a lake electrocute someone?
Electric eels, duhhhhhhh. Seriously, probably some sort of electrical hook up on or near a pier or dock.
 

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Same thing happened to Ryan Mallett, RIP. He was close high school friends with Will Middlebrooks.

I hope Garrett can find peace after this. He seems like such a kind and genuine guy, and never wears his emotions on his sleeve. This is something that you can never truly get over, the pain will be with you for life.
 

simplicio

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Yup, you see numbers like that and I think it points to a pretty specific culture more than anything.
 

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I mean, the guy just slipped off the pier, according to news articles. Maybe it's just me but "slipping off the pier" doesn't sound like a significant death risk.

One of the other deaths Google served up for me was an electrocution. How on earth does a lake electrocute someone?
It's certainly possible to hit your head on something while falling off the pier. And certainly alcohol could be acontributing factor.
 

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I mean, the guy just slipped off the pier, according to news articles. Maybe it's just me but "slipping off the pier" doesn't sound like a significant death risk.

One of the other deaths Google served up for me was an electrocution. How on earth does a lake electrocute someone?
If you smash your head on the pier, or something else on the way in that knocks you out, there’s a significant risk of death.
 

Benj4ever

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I mean, the guy just slipped off the pier, according to news articles. Maybe it's just me but "slipping off the pier" doesn't sound like a significant death risk.

One of the other deaths Google served up for me was an electrocution. How on earth does a lake electrocute someone?
Water is a very good conductor of electricity (don't use a hair dryer in the bath tub). And get out of the water (lake) when there's lightning in the area:

Lightning often strikes water, and water conducts electricity. That means that the currents from a lightning strike can
seriously injure you. In fact, it can even kill you. This is why, when you hear thunder or see lightning, it's a good idea to
avoid the pool, beach and any other large body of water.
 

Sin Duda

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Water is a very good conductor of electricity (don't use a hair dryer in the bath tub). And get out of the water (lake) when there's lightning in the area:

Lightning often strikes water, and water conducts electricity. That means that the currents from a lightning strike can
seriously injure you. In fact, it can even kill you. This is why, when you hear thunder or see lightning, it's a good idea to
avoid the pool, beach and any other large body of water.
Ah, no. Water is *not* a good conductor. It is a good insulator, in fact. But the the hair dryer's voltage overwhelms the small quantity of water, as does lightning in a much larger body of water, so still a good idea to get out during a storm.
 
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Benj4ever

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Ah, no. Water is *not* a good conductor. It is a good insulator, in fact. But the the hair dryer's voltage overwhelms the small quantity of water, as does lightning in a much larger body of water, so still a good idea to get out during a storm.
Pure water is not a good conductor of electricity, but ionized water is. You have to use a special process to purify water. Such is not used in natural bodies of water, which contain ionized particles of matter. These particles conduct electricity in water. So, yes, water is a good conductor of electricity (except when it's pure). This is a lesson we learned in high school chemistry.

See: https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/do-you-think-that-water-conducts-electricity-if-you-do-then-youre-wrong.html
 
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AB in DC

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Thanks for the sciencey lessons, but my original comment was more questioning why there'd be anything electrical near the lake in the first place -- for all the reasons everyone is citing.
 

JM3

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I suppose the "What does 2023 Look Like" thread turning into the "Drowning & Electrocution" thread was to be expected.