Grant Williams traded to Dallas
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3 second round picks for Grant.
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Bobby Marks
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Boston will create a trade exception worth 50% ($6.2M projected) of the Williams outgoing salary.
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Boston will create a trade exception worth 50% ($6.2M projected) of the Williams outgoing salary.
Woj has the picks details -
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I don’t know what people expect to get in a sign and trade lol.
Seconds are more valuable now than ever, with the new CBA. Brad is loading up on assets for a reason.
Seconds are more valuable now than ever, with the new CBA. Brad is loading up on assets for a reason.
Krapsnaps Bazingas is gonna do that (until he gets injured and ruled out for the season)
Aren’t almost all sign and trades for second round picks? This seems like a normal return for a guy they weren’t willing to keep at that price.
uh... new to the NBA? He's a RFA they could have signed for nothing, three 2nds is a big haul relatively speaking
I might've been fine keeping Grant at 4 / $53 ($12.5 AAV), he's still young and improving. But we are definitely close to maxed-out on the cap, so I didn't really expect to retain him anyway, and getting something for him is nice.
And I posted it in the other thread, but the cost at the trading deadline to add useful role-players to a contender was 5 2nd round picks (that was the price for Crowder, and I believe for Payton as well). This many 2nd rounders definitely has some value, and a decent chance we never actually draft anyone with these picks.
A shame to see Grant go, even if it all the signs pointed towards it:
-Multiple DNP-CDs in the playoffs
-Acquiring a big money guy in Porzingis
-Jaylen's super max looming in some form or another, putting the Celtics in cap hell
The team that seemed awfully deep for the last year is gonna look pretty different. Interesting to note that perhaps our two most switchable defenders (Grant and Smart, along with Tatum) are gone, replaced in part by a great rim protector that you don't want switching, and potentially a small point guard. Gonna be a different defensive identity next year for sure.
So....
2024 2nd, is not Dallas. three options I see... LAL 2nd, better of NOP/CHI 2nd, or the Spurs 2nd (we own it but top 54 protected, so they could remove the protections)
2025- could be any of DAL, CHI, TOR, SA (I'd guess it's DAL)
2028- not DAL, but could be any of: SA, DEN, MIA, NOP
Geez, SA is owed a lot of 2nds.
2024 2nd, is not Dallas. three options I see... LAL 2nd, better of NOP/CHI 2nd, or the Spurs 2nd (we own it but top 54 protected, so they could remove the protections)
2025- could be any of DAL, CHI, TOR, SA (I'd guess it's DAL)
2028- not DAL, but could be any of: SA, DEN, MIA, NOP
Geez, SA is owed a lot of 2nds.
yeah that's why we got anything at all, ignoring the entire history of RFA trades is silly. You never get top assets back, a TPE and 2nds is good return. (also can use the MLE hypothetically, but probably won't.)
The Celtics weren’t gonna, and should not, match this kind of offer sheet, so what would the alternative play be?
i don't know what people were expecting in a sign and trade.
Basically, Dallas was going to sign an asset (an asset I personally like a lot) to a deal worth around the mid-level exception or 4 years.
It is debatable as to whether or not Grant is worth that, I think he is, but I think it's a defensible position that under the new rules he's not. As a restricted free agent, Boston had the choice to match the offer or let him walk or make a trade.
They probably can't afford or don't value Grant at that figure. So it was make a trade or let him walk.
Dallas was never going to give up much more given that they're already paying Grant about what he's worth. Why would they add that much more to make it happen?
Basically, Dallas was going to sign an asset (an asset I personally like a lot) to a deal worth around the mid-level exception or 4 years.
It is debatable as to whether or not Grant is worth that, I think he is, but I think it's a defensible position that under the new rules he's not. As a restricted free agent, Boston had the choice to match the offer or let him walk or make a trade.
They probably can't afford or don't value Grant at that figure. So it was make a trade or let him walk.
Dallas was never going to give up much more given that they're already paying Grant about what he's worth. Why would they add that much more to make it happen?
When the entire league knows they aren't going to bring him back it's essentially the same
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Woj update, one of those 2nds is going to DAL, we're only getting 2
Woj update, one of those 2nds is going to DAL, we're only getting 2
Can someone explain this to me? My read is that star players will still be as valuable than ever and the effect will be more depressing salaries of the middle class of players than the max guys. The smaller the contract delta between vets and rookie deals, the less valuable a rookie is as compared with a vet.
The CBA doesn't magically make second rounders more likely to be NBA players so what is the thinking here?
Is he still improving? I feel like the past two years we saw of Grant are about the max of what he will be.
You thought with already paying around 170m to 10 guys, Brown about to get a big raise, Tatum getting one soon, and KP likely getting an extension that they were going to pay Grant that contract?
I'm a little surprised that Brad didn't want to keep him at that price. BUT he racked up plenty of DNP-CDs last season
I've been a Grant backer for a while, but the tall guys figured out they could easily shoot or pass over Grant unfettered.
Grant was a VERY strong body that could provide some resistance but there are options out there. Maybe Brissett can be that body that gets underneath BIGs and takes that punishment.
Good for Grant for getting paid. That's about what he reportedly turned down last off-season, right? He was a fun guy to root for, and his toughness and timely shooting will be missed. Can't keep em all, as BB says.
As CJM says “Three is more than two” so that’s disappointing. Granted, I would have been fine with 2. One 2nd would have been very disappointing
I’d rather have Grant than the two picks and the trade exception (and it’s worse than a third pick too). I like the player and the fit; Mazzulla clearly didn’t (and I personally think Grant is better at his job, right now, than Joe M is…though there’s a real chance that will flip as soon as next year, and likely in the next four)
I don’t have to pay the bills, and I get it minutes-wise and tax-wise especially when the coach doesn’t like him/his game. But I worry a lot about age/injuries for the bigs and the loss of grit and off-ball capability with both Smart and Grant leaving. I am concerned about this roster and fit, though the ‘upside’ with KP is also quite real.
I don’t have to pay the bills, and I get it minutes-wise and tax-wise especially when the coach doesn’t like him/his game. But I worry a lot about age/injuries for the bigs and the loss of grit and off-ball capability with both Smart and Grant leaving. I am concerned about this roster and fit, though the ‘upside’ with KP is also quite real.
I just don’t see how they carry a player like him at 13M AAV with their salary structure and the specter of the second apron restrictions.
It's the same set of bigs they've had the past two years, only replace Grant with Porzingis. Even factoring in some Horford decline, that's an improvement.
I question whether second apron penalties (the worst of which are a year away, albeit one with a couple extensions still to be done) hurt more than losing Grant.
We will see what rest of the plan is; Brad has done a very good job and so we will see what the vision is. Pat Bev was a nice backfill, and understand why the timing didn’t work. They now probably can sign a taxpayer MLE guy (Oubre?) and have the exception, which could be useful or could be another Muscala.
But I do recognize the challenge tax-wise. This move was largely built in to the KP acquisition, and my guess is Brad would say (not wrongly) that the playoff upside of this roster has gone up.
My biggest concern is an aggregate one—-Smart and Grant out is two guys with grit, tough defense, not afraid of moment, and reliability plus ability to play off-ball. The team slumped defensively last year already (I guess you can argue that is a point against Grant?). And KP is in theory a way to go two bigs even more effectively, but also makes the roster a bit less flexible and a lot less gritty, with more guys who want/need/are best with the ball. The grit things are things you can backfill—-and they may well do so, the draft suggested they are thinking that way too. It’s hard to build a NBA roster and betting on top-end talent is the right way to do it. Continuity helps too, and we’ll see….I’m bummed as I liked Grant and saw a path there, and also get the tough choices they face and the reality that they needed a change.
I think the Celtics were only willing to go way over the apron for impact to their starting 5. Grant is at best the 8th man here? Tough to pay 53M over 4 years, and 200-220 cash (counting tax) likely for him to be your 8th man.
Grant’s absence is gonna be more of an issue in the regular season, if one that they can mitigate, but, as we just saw, I don’t see that showing up in the playoffs. If they ever needed real minutes from him in the playoffs, then it would mean shit went off the rails.
It's probably the Clippers' fault. (Mostly kidding.). If they are able to move Brogdon I wonder if this goes differently.
I somewhat lament the lost chance to have a nice $13 mil salary for matching purposes but what can you do.
Kornet is plenty usable until spring.
I’d put it differently——Grant had a real role to play against certain matchups (like Giannis) regardless of how well the other bigs are playing. He also is a lot more flexible defensively than the other bigs. Those things matter in the playoffs, which are hugely matchup-driven.
Grant would certainly play little in some matchups, but I think it’s a mistake to say that’s true of all of them or even all the likely ones. He’s not nearly as good as KP, but he is more versatile.
One thing also to remember in trade return for Grant... it always had to be a 3 team deal, because Grant is BYC, we can only take back at most 6.2M... but DAL in order to do the deal had to send out about 10M.... hence San Antonio, eating the Bullock contract and reducing the return. If we could have eaten Bullock maybe we get more value.
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Celtics getting 2 picks and a swap in 2025. So I assume based on the Woj tweet that means:
2024 2nd- could be any of: LAL, better of NOP/CHI 2nd, or removing protection on SAS
2028-could be any of: SA, DEN, MIA, NOP
The swap is 2025- could be any of DAL, CHI, TOR, SA
Celtics getting 2 picks and a swap in 2025. So I assume based on the Woj tweet that means:
2024 2nd- could be any of: LAL, better of NOP/CHI 2nd, or removing protection on SAS
2028-could be any of: SA, DEN, MIA, NOP
The swap is 2025- could be any of DAL, CHI, TOR, SA