2014 Non-Celtic Offseason News and Rumors
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Cellar-Door said:
I believe this means HOU will be short of being able to offer max money to Bosh. Wonder if he cares.
jon abbey said:
According to the link posted above - http://mavericks.scout.com/story/1402950-mavs-parsons-offer-puts-rockets-in-pinch?s=268 - once the offer sheet was signed, the cap hold for Parsons goes up to $2.875M - the qualifying offer - in order for them to keep their matching rights.
If this is correct, with Howard at $21.4M and Harden at $14.7M (and factoring in minimum salaries for the rest), the website states that HOU would be able to offer Bosh only $19.6M (approximately) as a first-year salary, which is short of the max. And if HOU has problems getting rid of everyone else, it might be even less.
This analysis is confirmed by http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/09/rockets-cant-keep-dwight-howard-james-harden-and-chandler-parsons-and-give-chris-bosh-max-contract/.
I don't know for sure whether this analysis is correct, but it makes sense to me that Parsons' cap hold would be equal to the QO once Parsons signed the offer sheet.
Morey thought he was being very clever by not exercising Parsons' option. If he had, Parsons' cap figure would have been under $1M and none of this would be happening (although HOU would very likely have lost Parsons next year anyways).
from Rotoworld:
Boy could the 76ers screw the Rockets now. Maybe they already have a handshake agreement that is solid, but I have to say I don't understand why Morey would wait on completing the Lin deal. They need to get rid of that contract anyway, and delaying to make sure Bosh would sign (presuming he does) sure does leave Philly with a lot of negotiating leverage.
Boy could the 76ers screw the Rockets now. Maybe they already have a handshake agreement that is solid, but I have to say I don't understand why Morey would wait on completing the Lin deal. They need to get rid of that contract anyway, and delaying to make sure Bosh would sign (presuming he does) sure does leave Philly with a lot of negotiating leverage.
If they had whiffed on Bosh, I'm not sure they would have needed to trade Lin.Tony C said:
I'm told trading Lin will be a non-issue however.
I'm sure you're right about not needing to trade Lin, I'm just assuming the owner would want to get rid of $15 million for a 3rd guard.
And good to know that trade is going through. If Bosh/Parsons go to Houston, Melo is the next domino -- I'm assuming the Knicks? The Knicks are sort of interesting if they could convince Pau to join Melo and Calderon. Personally if I'm them I don't sweat it -- the one year they have a draft pick wouldn't be a bad year to tank, and then come back the next season with Melo in house, a ton of cap space, and a relatively high draft pick.
And good to know that trade is going through. If Bosh/Parsons go to Houston, Melo is the next domino -- I'm assuming the Knicks? The Knicks are sort of interesting if they could convince Pau to join Melo and Calderon. Personally if I'm them I don't sweat it -- the one year they have a draft pick wouldn't be a bad year to tank, and then come back the next season with Melo in house, a ton of cap space, and a relatively high draft pick.
They'd love to be rid of him in the abstract, but without a max player to replace him, attaching picks to be rid of him wasn't worth it.Tony C said:
I still don't know where he's going. My guy with the Rockets just says the Lin piece isn't a difficult one however. There's other stuff in motion that's more complex for them.
ifmanis5 said:
Wanted to reply to this here rather than in the LeBron thread. But, yes, this is so true. You do not hesitate on a deal to get a superstar because of Klay Thompson. Per Glengarry Glen Ross -- ABC: Always. Be. Closing. You have to close a deal like that, not wait. I think GS may have whiffed on an opportunity to become a top tier team -- Klay Thompson won't bring them there.
bowiac said:
I think the cap coming in about 200k under where it was projected complicated the Asik deal substantially. New Orleans has some work to do now to fit Asik in.
I think it's an open question what happens now with Thompson and Love. I wouldn't assume anything is done. Minnesota may plausibly prefer Thompson if Golden State agrees to offer him.Tony C said:
Melo's ego won't let him leave NY.
Plus, he knows he's not getting past LBJ/Cleveland, so he's gonna get paid as his consolation.
Pau to the Knicks? Not nearly enough.
Plus, he knows he's not getting past LBJ/Cleveland, so he's gonna get paid as his consolation.
Pau to the Knicks? Not nearly enough.
If Cleveland doesn't get Love, then I think Melo on Chicago is a fair match for that Cleveland team.Dick Pole Upside said:
Kyrie, Wiggins, LeBron, Thompson, Varejao vs. Rose, Butler, Anthony, Gibson, Noah
With Rose obviously a major wildcard, that's plausibly an advantage at 4 positions for Chicago.
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Houston is finalizing a deal to send Jeremy Lin to the Lakers, league source tells Yahoo Sports
Smart move on the Lakers part. To get closer to the cap floor and an expiring contract leaving cap space for next year.
Lin should be a draw in any city there is a significant Chinese population. As a Sixers fan, I'm bummed that we missed out on landing him and the pick the Lakers got.
RedOctober3829 said:
I'm not convinced they'll match Parsons now.
They were prepared to match when they were already pretty much capped out and could take advantage of his Bird Rights.
Now they may just make some short term signings, preserve some cap flexibility and look towards next year when guys who fill a need (Millsap? Dragic?) become free agents.
Woah....Duncan and Pau?
@ESPNSteinLine: My sis @ramonashelburne just reported San Antonio moves into pole position for Pau Gasol if Bulls can't complete sign-and-trade w/Lakers
@ESPNSteinLine: My sis @ramonashelburne just reported San Antonio moves into pole position for Pau Gasol if Bulls can't complete sign-and-trade w/Lakers
My sense (although I'm not sure) is that they're not matching Parsons.
I think they're gonna pursue Deng on a big money, low years deal. This Bosh situation was a debacle for them (they look terrible to their owner and fans for having declined Chandler's option for "nothing". They've got lots of cap space that they don't want to tie up long term, but can't afford to go backwards either.
Overpaying Deng now for fewer years to get future flexibility makes sense to me.
I think they're gonna pursue Deng on a big money, low years deal. This Bosh situation was a debacle for them (they look terrible to their owner and fans for having declined Chandler's option for "nothing". They've got lots of cap space that they don't want to tie up long term, but can't afford to go backwards either.
Overpaying Deng now for fewer years to get future flexibility makes sense to me.
Yes, especially since Deng is still a pretty good player and a good fit for their lineup, although they have a hole at pg.
Just reported by wojo that Pau turned down the Lakers offer...so he's definitely moving on. (well not definitely, but....apparently).
Also, did anyone see the Lakers gave Jordan Hill $18 million for 2 years? Seems like a lot for a guy who was often either injured or buried by D'Antoni. That said, I personally thought he looked great when he did play (could never figure D'Antoni's deal, but that's true on a lot of his headscratchers) -- overall averaged 9.7 points/7.4 rebounds in 20 minutes per game. I thought he might be a nice under the radar signing for someone, but guess he was on the Lakers radar, anyway -- though I suspect they have money to burn right now.
Also, did anyone see the Lakers gave Jordan Hill $18 million for 2 years? Seems like a lot for a guy who was often either injured or buried by D'Antoni. That said, I personally thought he looked great when he did play (could never figure D'Antoni's deal, but that's true on a lot of his headscratchers) -- overall averaged 9.7 points/7.4 rebounds in 20 minutes per game. I thought he might be a nice under the radar signing for someone, but guess he was on the Lakers radar, anyway -- though I suspect they have money to burn right now.
Brickowski said:
Cavs have no salary room to sign Gasol after signing LBJ.
Gasol turned down a $10M+ 2 year offer from the Lakers so I doubt he accepts the vet minimum to go ring chasing with the Cavs.
Sign and trade using some of the assets they were going to relinquish in the rumored Love trade. And while Varejao may be LeBron's binky, Gasol is a better player, although I'm not sure the Lakers would be interested in Varejao.
I think Deng is a better fit, although not a better player than Parsons. They need perimeter defense, someone who can help when Harden is busy checking out the girl with the nice top in the front row instead of playing defense.
I'm thinking like 2/32, frontloaded. The big issue is to not give up the shot to chase Durant, Westbrook and the next batch of free agents.
I'm thinking like 2/32, frontloaded. The big issue is to not give up the shot to chase Durant, Westbrook and the next batch of free agents.
Deng's a pretty serious upgrade on Parsons. He can also play 4 for stretches, and defends very well. It's not a bad plan B, truthfully, but Bosh was an ideal fit.mcpickl said:
Could they play together?bowiac said:
Howard/Deng/Parsons/Harden/Beverly is a pretty good five. Smallish at 4, but can probably afford it with Dwight as the 5.
If they can get Deng on a 2 year deal, they could still have the flexibility for summer of 2016. Parsons at one year left at 16ish shouldn't be a problem to move then if necessary.
Just can't get past them not matching on Parsons. Seems crazy to me.
Since Howard is parked down low all the time, Parsons is much more useful to space the court than Deng would be. Agree having both looks like an interesting play for them, especially if they can get Deng on a frontloaded deal. Deng is the better all-around player, and more versatile, but Parsons fits very very well with Harden and Howard so tough to let him go.
Dunno, I think Deng is wearing down, he's played almost as many regular season minutes as Wade and there's no hiding or resting on the court when you play for Thibs. He was awesome 2/3/4 years ago, but I think I'd take Parsons for the next three years if given the choice at equal money.