2015 Patriots 53-man Roster & Practice Squad Watch

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Reiss: Brady not present at start of practice. Not injury-related; tied to settlement hearing on Wednesday.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
Reiss: Brady not present at start of practice. Not injury-related; tied to settlement hearing on Wednesday.
 
See, it's affecting him on the field! He should drop his appeal for the good of the team!
 

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With the decision by Judge Berman that TB12 doesn't need to be in court next Wednesday, he's free (as Mike Reiss points out) to attend joint practices with the Saints.
 
Pats. Saints. Whatever might they talk about during breaks the the activity?  :whistling:
 

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They will never see that fake punt coming. He says he is the best punter on the team so it is a good cover.
 
Yeah, but can he do it with his left foot?
 

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They will never see that fake punt coming. He says he is the best punter on the team so it is a good cover.
Isn't that kinda deceptive? The league needs to make a new rule outlawing this kind of rule bending.
 

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koufax32 said:
Isn't that kinda deceptive? The league needs to make a new rule outlawing this kind of rule bending.
 
Let's please not give the artless sheriff and his clueless posse any new ideas. Else, Trollin' Ben Volin will be muttering darkly about yet another possible league action...
 
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It's more probable than not.
 
Is it wrong that the league is now at the same level as a broken Magic 8 Ball?
 
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No, but he puts gyroball spin on it with his right, so it's just as good. Maybe better.
 
See #1...    :rolleyes:
 

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I am a little loathe to post this because people cannot help themselves from just pasting their irrelevant and boring 53 man roster breakdown into the thread without commentary or detail.  Could we maybe try to not do that?  It's stupid and not very insightful.  But it's a fun tool to play with, so here we go.
 
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What could be insightful is instead of just pasting the 53 names into a reply spend a few minutes instead talking about the final decisions you made to get down to 53 guys.  There are some seemingly well stocked positions in camp this year and some tough cuts will likely be made at RB, WR, DE, DT and the defensive backs  
 
For instance, I chose to cut Cadet at RB because Bolden has special teams value and White has upside.  Carrying 6 RBs seemed too heavy.
 
I kept 11 Defensive backs but only 5 LBers.  That doesn't feel balanced.  I think its more likely that one of Fletcher or Brown gets cut and one of the other LBers makes the club, but I'll be damned if I could predict that correctly.
 
My last four players cut were:
Cadet (already had 5 RBers)
Ebner (Aware of his special team's value, but Chung and Wilson also contribute there and Richards was added to the group)
Alan Branch (team invested recent draft picks here, brought in Johnson and Branch is a tub of goo that failed the conditioning test this year)
Zach Moore (Always thought he was an interesting long term project, but they invested heavily in edge rushers this off season)
 
 
QB (2) T.Brady, J.Garoppolo
RB (5) L.Blount, J.White, J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.Gray
WR (6) J.Edelman, M.Slater, B.LaFell, A.Dobson, B.Tyms, D.Amendola
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, M.Hoomanawanui, S.Chandler
C  (2) B.Stork, R.Wendell
G  (3) T.Jackson, R.Groy, S.Mason
T  (4) M.Cannon, N.Solder, C.Fleming, S.Vollmer
DE (5) R.Ninkovich, C.Jones, T.Flowers, J.Sheard, G.Grissom
DT (4) D.Easley, M.Brown, A.Johnson, S.Siliga
ILB(2) D.Fletcher, D.Hightower
OLB(3) J.Mayo, J.Freeny, J.Collins
CB (6) L.Ryan, M.McClain, T.Brown, D.Roberts, B.Fletcher, M.Butler
SS (3) J.Richards, P.Chung, T.Wilson
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
 
Total players: 53
 

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I am a little loathe to post this because people cannot help themselves from just pasting their irrelevant and boring 53 man roster breakdown into the thread without commentary or detail.  Could we maybe try to not do that?  It's stupid and not very insightful.  But it's a fun tool to play with, so here we go.
 
The Pats Picker website is back:
http://www.patsfans.com/patspicker/
 
What could be insightful is instead of just pasting the 53 names into a reply spend a few minutes instead talking about the final decisions you made to get down to 53 guys.  There are some seemingly well stocked positions in camp this year and some tough cuts will likely be made at RB, WR, DE, DT and the defensive backs  
 
For instance, I chose to cut Cadet at RB because Bolden has special teams value and White has upside.  Carrying 6 RBs seemed too heavy.
 
I kept 11 Defensive backs but only 5 LBers.  That doesn't feel balanced.  I think its more likely that one of Fletcher or Brown gets cut and one of the other LBers makes the club, but I'll be damned if I could predict that correctly.
 
My last four players cut were:
Cadet (already had 5 RBers)
Ebner (Aware of his special team's value, but Chung and Wilson also contribute there and Richards was added to the group)
Alan Branch (team invested recent draft picks here, brought in Johnson and Branch is a tub of goo that failed the conditioning test this year)
Zach Moore (Always thought he was an interesting long term project, but they invested heavily in edge rushers this off season)
 
 
QB (2) T.Brady, J.Garoppolo
RB (5) L.Blount, J.White, J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.Gray
WR (6) J.Edelman, M.Slater, B.LaFell, A.Dobson, B.Tyms, D.Amendola
TE (3) R.Gronkowski, M.Hoomanawanui, S.Chandler
C  (2) B.Stork, R.Wendell
G  (3) T.Jackson, R.Groy, S.Mason
T  (4) M.Cannon, N.Solder, C.Fleming, S.Vollmer
DE (5) R.Ninkovich, C.Jones, T.Flowers, J.Sheard, G.Grissom
DT (4) D.Easley, M.Brown, A.Johnson, S.Siliga
ILB(2) D.Fletcher, D.Hightower
OLB(3) J.Mayo, J.Freeny, J.Collins
CB (6) L.Ryan, M.McClain, T.Brown, D.Roberts, B.Fletcher, M.Butler
SS (3) J.Richards, P.Chung, T.Wilson
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
 
Total players: 53
 
 
Good list - I just ran through the exercise and my differences were:
- Andrews as a 10th OL (T. Brown didn't make my list at CB)
- C. Jones instead of A. Johnson at DT
- J. Morris instead of D. Fletcher at LB
- N. Ebner instead of T. Wilson at S
- Kline over Groy
 
My toughest cuts were Cadet and Tarrell Brown. I think for a lot of our differences it could go either way - e.g., Ebner vs. Wilson, Morris vs. Fletcher.
 

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QB (2) T.Brady, J.Garoppolo
RB (5) L.Blount, J.White, J.Develin, B.Bolden, J.Gray
Last cut: Cadet (already had 5 RBers)
I'm assuming they will get an roster exemption for Blount since he is suspended Week 1, and Cadet will make the squad instead of Blount. The same will be true for Lindley / Brady if Brady's suspension holds up.
 
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WR (6) J.Edelman, M.Slater, B.LaFell, A.Dobson, B.Tyms, D.Amendola
I think those Dobson and Tyms are probably too similar to both make it. I actually had both off and Gibson on. Boyce and Harper are dark horses to sneak on.
 
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TE (3) R.Gronkowski, M.Hoomanawanui, S.Chandler
C  (2) B.Stork, R.Wendell
G  (3) T.Jackson, R.Groy, S.Mason
T  (4) M.Cannon, N.Solder, C.Fleming, S.Vollmer
I had David Andrews making the team as the token UDFA, though the 9 OL you have is probably more typical of what they've done historically. I could easily see Kline or Barker over Groy; everyone else you list seems like a lock barring injury.
 
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DE (5) R.Ninkovich, C.Jones, T.Flowers, J.Sheard, G.Grissom
Last cut: Zach Moore (Always thought he was an interesting long term project, but they invested heavily in edge rushers this off season)
DT (4) D.Easley, M.Brown, A.Johnson, S.Siliga
Last cut: Alan Branch (team invested recent draft picks here, brought in Johnson and Branch is a tub of goo that failed the conditioning test this year)
I had the same DE and tub of goo Branch over Johnson. I don't know how to handicap the Branch / Johnson / Chris Jones / Vellano battle. DE seems pretty set with those 5. If Moore or Xzavier Dickson can offer something on special teams, they can sneak on.
 
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ILB(2) D.Fletcher, D.Hightower
OLB(3) J.Mayo, J.Freeny, J.Collins
I took James Morris over Freeny but I'm not married to it.
 
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CB (6) L.Ryan, M.McClain, T.Brown, D.Roberts, B.Fletcher, M.Butler
SS (3) J.Richards, P.Chung, T.Wilson
FS (2) D.McCourty, D.Harmon
Last cut: Ebner (Aware of his special team's value, but Chung and Wilson also contribute there and Richards was added to the group)
I think they'll go 5 CB / 6 S given that pretty much all the safeties play a lot of special teams. I had Ebner in and Fletcher cut.
 
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ST (3) S.Gostkowski, R.Allen, J.Cardona
 

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I'm assuming they will get an roster exemption for Blount since he is suspended Week 1, and Cadet will make the squad instead of Blount. The same will be true for Lindley / Brady if Brady's suspension holds up.
 
I think those Dobson and Tyms are probably too similar to both make it. I actually had both off and Gibson on. Boyce and Harper are dark horses to sneak on.
 
I had David Andrews making the team as the token UDFA, though the 9 OL you have is probably more typical of what they've done historically. I could easily see Kline or Barker over Groy; everyone else you list seems like a lock barring injury.
 
I had the same DE and tub of goo Branch over Johnson. I don't know how to handicap the Branch / Johnson / Chris Jones / Vellano battle. DE seems pretty set with those 5. If Moore or Xzavier Dickson can offer something on special teams, they can sneak on.
 
I took James Morris over Freeny but I'm not married to it.
 
I think they'll go 5 CB / 6 S given that pretty much all the safeties play a lot of special teams. I had Ebner in and Fletcher cut.
 
My choice for a surprise cut is Chung. I also think Branch gets the axe too, but wouldn't consider that a surprise cut.
 

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My choice for a surprise cut is Chung. I also think Branch gets the axe too, but wouldn't consider that a surprise cut.
Chung kind of makes sense from a football standpoint, but they just signed him to a deal that makes him largely uncuttable. Per overthecap his $1 MM salary is guaranteed, and his $2.4 MM bonus would accelerate onto this year's cap. His cap hit isn't huge ($2 MM) but it would go up even if they spread the remaining $2.4 MM bonus over two years.
 

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According to the practice notes from Pats Pulpit (sorry for no link, I'm mobile). Hightower did not wear a red jersey today and participated in the full hitting 11-on-11 sessions.

Hopefully it went well. Will be interesting to see if the no contact jersey comes back on tomorrow.
 

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Does Slater always play WR in the preseason to give him something to do or is it just a matter of them hurting for bodies? I feel like I've seen his name pop up a bunch, well at least multiple, during training camp.
 

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I don't think either Tyms or Dobson make the roster. They're certainly tough cuts, but could be shadow roster types. As bad as Boyce looked the other night, I like him to make the team as the 4th WR/ST contributor. If he can manage it on ST coverage, that does make the cut of Wilson or Ebner easier from a ST standpoint.
 

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Does Slater always play WR in the preseason to give him something to do or is it just a matter of them hurting for bodies? I feel like I've seen his name pop up a bunch, well at least multiple, during training camp.
 
He typically practices as a WR and appears infrequently in that role; he's an excellent blocker and runs well, so they can use him on go routes and the like, mostly as a decoy. 
 

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kenneycb said:
Does Slater always play WR in the preseason to give him something to do or is it just a matter of them hurting for bodies? I feel like I've seen his name pop up a bunch, well at least multiple, during training camp.
Due to the fact that Edelman, LaFell, and Dobson are out it forces Slater into reps on offense.  I wouldn't read too much into it.
 

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He typically practices as a WR and appears infrequently in that role; he's an excellent blocker and runs well, so they can use him on go routes and the like, mostly as a decoy. 
Except the When Brady tries to hit him on a bomb in a huge playoff game!
 

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Does Slater always play WR in the preseason to give him something to do or is it just a matter of them hurting for bodies? I feel like I've seen his name pop up a bunch, well at least multiple, during training camp.
SF121 and RO are both right, but to expand on this, camp practice (at least the one I went to a couple weeks ago) is divided into individual positional group work and bigger team activities. For individual group work, Slater is going to get his reps with the receivers, sort of along the "to give him something to do" lines. Bigger group activities include punt / punt return / kickoff / kickoff return group work, which Slater would obviously be a part of, as well as more conventional offense / defense stuff, where Slater is probably getting more reps than usual due to the glut of WR injuries.
 

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I was, and am, in a meeting, so I can't look too deeply, but saw some tweets about bad news with Tyms. Anyone expand on that?
 

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Super Nomario said:
SF121 and RO are both right, but to expand on this, camp practice (at least the one I went to a couple weeks ago) is divided into individual positional group work and bigger team activities. For individual group work, Slater is going to get his reps with the receivers, sort of along the "to give him something to do" lines. Bigger group activities include punt / punt return / kickoff / kickoff return group work, which Slater would obviously be a part of, as well as more conventional offense / defense stuff, where Slater is probably getting more reps than usual due to the glut of WR injuries.
I would also add that you want Slater to take the WR reps as normal because you never know who will get injured during the season. If he needs to step in during the season, having those reps in his back pocket would help him getting up to speed so to speak.  He's in the meetings all year round obviously so he's getting the mental reps, but he'll get next to no actual reps in practice if everyone is healthy.
 

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I was, and am, in a meeting, so I can't look too deeply, but saw some tweets about bad news with Tyms. Anyone expand on that?
Other than the Jeff Howe tweet saying he's dealing with a medical condition that is "not good", I haven't seen anything beyond that.
 
 
Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe  2h2 hours ago
Brian Tyms is dealing with a medical issue that's been described as "not good." Brutal break after his best week of camp
 
 

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Multiple beat writers saying Malcom Butler had a great day today after struggling yesterday.  A good sign for a player that needs to bring his A game every week if they plan on still playing primarily press-man coverage.
 

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Patriots wide receiver Brian Tyms just had his best stretch of training camp, but it all came crashing to a halt in West Virginia.
 
Tyms suffered an injury that was described as "not good." A trip to injured reserve sounds like a possibility.
 
The details still remain foggy, but it's a brutal blow for Tyms, who caught five passes from Tom Brady during practice Saturday and Monday. He rebounded well after a slow start to camp that only featured one catch from Brady through 10 practices, largely due to a shoulder injury that sidelined him for about a week.
 
Tyms was present yesterday but didn't catch any passes in team drills. He was out today.
 
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/the_blitz/2015/08/brian_tyms_dealing_with_serious_injury
 

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I don't think people would describe cancer as an injury.
 
Does seem weird that there's no details out there.
 

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http://nesn.com/2015/08/duron-harmon-viewed-as-one-of-the-patriots-five-best-defensive-backs/

Mike Reiss is reporting the most interesting development that he has seen McCourty-Chung-Harmon on the field together as part of the nickle backfield.
This has been consistent for the past week of practice and he speculates it may have staying power going forward. Can't say who's in the slot per rules.
Chung has to be the SS. He's just not good enough in coverage. Obviously the best in coverage is McCourty so it's probably him. This is paired with a tweet I saw recently implying that he was playing RCB.

If course McCourty is also the best FS so it could be Harmon.
 

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DrewDawg said:
I don't think people would describe cancer as an injury.
 
Does seem weird that there's no details out there.
Hopefully we know more soon
 

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Hopefully we know more soon
 
I am legit disappointed that HOP posted here, without news. :-(
 
I hope twitter is fixed soon, for your sake.