Well Florio is treating this like the chicken shit maneuver it was. That is what the NFL has become under Goodell, a chicken shit League. Tags and Rozelle would have stopped this with one phone call in 5 minutes after week one.
Agreed, except it doesn't even have to be a plant. It can be a yet unimagined Ideal Gas Law Part II. If the league looks hard enough for long enough they'll find some sort of irregularity.dcmissle said:I do not care about journalists or fans. I am pleased other teams are obsessed with this crap -- Red Auerbach disease. But it's all fun and games until there is a plant of bogus "evidence". That's what concerns me.
dcmissle said:I do not care about journalists or fans. I am pleased other teams are obsessed with this crap -- Red Auerbach disease. But it's all fun and games until there is a plant of bogus "evidence". That's what concerns me.
Which is why the Pats should have the Mass State police, an impartial 3rd party/law enforcement agency, check all relevant areas (including the visitors tampon machine) for electronic and other devices. The Staties should then file a report with the state and the Pats. If the NFL then comes up with something suspicious, it would have to square with what a law enforcement unit had already reported.dcmissle said:I do not care about journalists or fans. I am pleased other teams are obsessed with this crap -- Red Auerbach disease. But it's all fun and games until there is a plant of bogus "evidence". That's what concerns me.
Not to take away from your point, but I believe the player who says this didn't happen.Archer1979 said:
You mean like a WR at an AFC Championship game that can tell the difference, just by feel, between a football inflated at 11.5 psi and one measured at 12.5 psi in just the length of time it takes to bring it over to the sidelines after intercepting it? While wearing heavy gloves. That's some skill right there.
Nor was he a WR.djbayko said:Not to take away from your point, but I believe the player who says this didn't happen.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Nor was he a WR.
Tony Kornheiser essentially did this on the Friday PTI with Wilbon. They were talking about the sweeps and Florio's story. Wilbon said the league was absolutely right to deny the Patriots request for every game checks because they are the highly competent Patriots and have a history of being cheater cheater cheaters.drleather2001 said:But the media's disinterest in the story that the league is out to nail the Patriots, while simultaneously soiling themselves with glee when the Patriots so much as possibly look bad, creates a positive feedback cycle where the league is emboldened to just throw shit against the wall with impunity.
The only way this stops is when someone: other owners, media figures, politicians (groan) stand up and say "Enough. We see what's going on and it's bullshit. It was fun for awhile but now it's just wrong."
And that has to come from a NATIONAL source, not some columnist at NESN.
and then the NFL becomes the WWE, and i end my relationship with themdrleather2001 said:So what happens now is that 2 months from now there's some clock irregularity at Gillette that leaves 4 seconds unaccounted for in a game that the Pata win by 3 points, and there's a shitstorm of press about it and this Jets thing and the Steelers headsets get referenced as other "questionable incidents" that "were never fully explained" so "perhaps there was something to them after all, we will never know."
And the Pats lose another first and Belichick is suspended for a year.
soxhop411 said:and then the NFL becomes the WWE, and i end my relationship with them
"Well, there have been enough disproven allegations to suggest at least one disproven allegation may have actually been a proven allegation!"The Patriots do have quite the history of being accused of cheating through electronic interference. Earlier this year, the Steelers headsets kept picking up the Patriots radio broadcast, only to clear up whenever NFL officials approached the Patriots sideline. Then there was the massive ESPN report that showed how the NFL had basically covered for a series of Patriots cheating scandals throughout the 2000’s. Even if they didn’t find anything in this incident, the NFL is at least aware enough of the Patriots’s history of tampering to take the Jets complaint seriously.
This is pretty much what I'm thinking here.crystalline said:It might be that.
Or it might be that Goodell is a skilled political player, and realizes the best way to unite the owners is to turn them on a common enemy, the Patriots.
The one essential thing a commissioner needs is support from a majority of the owners. Throwing one owner under the bus to obtain support from most other owners would be a relatively unsurprising move from a skilled political player.
Lenny Bandy and Dick Farley of NFL Security thereafter investigated the situation, questioning three employees of Kraft Sports, whose responsibilities include in-stadium entertainment, such as the music and other sound coming through speakers in the stadium. (Kraft Sports is owned by Robert Kraft, who also owns the Patriots.)
One of the employees also is responsible for keeping fresh batteries in the referee’s in-stadium microphone. But Mastroddi didn’t initially accept the explanation that a team employee would be responsible for ensuring the performance of the referee’s microphone; Mastroddi said “people responsible for maintaining the referee’s microphone should be League contractors and not Kraft Sports employees wearing Patriots gear.” In response to Mastroddi’s concerns, Bandy called 345 Park Avenue and spoke with Jay Reid of the officiating department, who confirmed that the referee’s in-stadium microphone is handled by the teams, not by the league.
Sssh ... You can't do thatdrleather2001 said:Oh look! From Deadspin:
"Well, there have been enough disproven allegations to suggest at least one disproven allegation may have actually been a proven allegation!"
Jonathan was dating cheerleaders after the AFC Title game last year?dcmissle said:Jonathan talks a good game, but he was going out with cheerleaders when Kensil was making his bones.
Open up an investigation.nighthob said:Jonathan was dating cheerleaders after the AFC Title game last year?
The employees aren't the issue here. It's the paranoia from other teams that think the Patriots are doing something wrong. Literally every college and pro team have people on the sidelines with headsets or earpieces on so they can communicate with each other. They can be anywhere from equipment managers and athletic trainers to marketing/entertainment workers. Every staff should know this. Why would they all of a sudden complain now? It's because the Patriots are so far in people's heads that they should have to pay rent.djbayko said:Why does the ref headset guy need to be a league employee? His product serves both teams equally. It's not like he can give one team a competitive advantage.
Clock guy, sure, but this job doesn't make sense.
But whatever, make them ALL league employees. Less work for Kraft's organization and more worry for Roger.
bankshot1 said:Which is why the Pats should have the Mass State police, an impartial 3rd party/law enforcement agency, check all relevant areas (including the visitors tampon machine) for electronic and other devices. The Staties should then file a report with the state and the Pats. If the NFL then comes up with something suspicious, it would have to square with what a law enforcement unit had already reported.
And yes this stinks of paranoia an both sides of the ball.
I know. I was repsondong to this, which I should have quoted before:RedOctober3829 said:The employees aren't the issue here. It's the paranoia from other teams that think the Patriots are doing something wrong. Literally every college and pro team have people on the sidelines with headsets or earpieces on so they can communicate with each other. They can be anywhere from equipment managers and athletic trainers to marketing/entertainment workers. Every staff should know this. Why would they all of a sudden complain now? It's because the Patriots are so far in people's heads that they should have to pay rent.
I'm pointing out that this statement is illogical and borne out of an irrational distrust, but if they want the job let them have it.Mastroddi said people responsible for maintaining the referees microphone should be League contractors and not Kraft Sports employees wearing Patriots gear.
Seeing that the Pats asked the NFL to provide this service, and they refused, the Pats thought it should be done to erase any doubts or uncertainties. Presumably the need remains. So have an independent law enforcement agency do it. There is no need to publicize, but have it done and cover your ass at some minimal cost. And if some team or league official levels an absurd/unfair charge, the report will be there to rebuff it.joe dokes said:
No, this is why they should just keep doing what they're doing. which is nothing wrong and which is making people look stupid by shitting their pants instead of playing football.
I tried all my decoder rings and I still have no idea what you're talking about.dcmissle said:Sssh ... You can't do that
Deadspin is so clever ... sophisticated ... cutting edge ...SoSHian
That's what people here do -- read Drew Magary while screwing Asian women. Then they light a cigarette and watch Danish films.
Please ... Heresy. When Deadspin fucks up, you have to hide it.
I lost my Shipster to English dictionary, so I can't translate.Devizier said:I tried all my decoder rings and I still have no idea what you're talking about.
Maybe that's how Roger will pick which franchise moves to London or LA!djbayko said:The next punishment is very likely to be a near death penalty.
Well that's part of what makes me want to bang my head against the wall.djbayko said:Here's what I find amazing about this whole thing. Even if you thought the Patriots were the biggest cheaters in world history, do you really think they'd continue their cheating ways after DFG? The next punishment is very likely to be a near death penalty.
To believe this requires one to believe that ALL the Patriots' success is due to cheating - not Belichick, Brady, et al. - and that the team realizes it simply cannot survive without it.
Magary is the poster boy for the cynicism that is the calling card for that platform. Deadspin is all about tearing down institutions. Fine. Some of them dearly deserve tearing down.ngruz25 said:What does Drew Magary have to do with the latest Deadspin article? Or any, really? He's not on the news beat. He writes the Jambaroo, which is the journalistic equivalent of a game thread, and the mail bag, which is not really about sports.
This is totally ridiculous. Absurd even. I can't believe anyone could write this.drleather2001 said:So what happens now is that 2 months from now there's some clock irregularity at Gillette that leaves 4 seconds unaccounted for in a game that the Pata win by 3 points, and there's a shitstorm of press about it and this Jets thing and the Steelers headsets get referenced as other "questionable incidents" that "were never fully explained" so "perhaps there was something to them after all, we will never know."
And the Pats lose another first and Belichick is suspended for a year.
Basically, until the Patriots miss the playoffs for a few consecutive years, we all get to wait for the other foot to fall.