WayBackVazquez said:
He really is. Nothing to do with this, but he was bitching yesterday about how when he played in the Super Bowl he had to pay for his family to sit in a suite and basically had to play the game for free. The horror.
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He really is. Nothing to do with this, but he was bitching yesterday about how when he played in the Super Bowl he had to pay for his family to sit in a suite and basically had to play the game for free. The horror.
I'm not watching but I assume he used the wrong pressure number when explaining the potential impact of the temperature change?WayBackVazquez said:
I wonder where the 13 psi and narrow limit actually comes from, as it seems like a fairly arbitrary and tight window. As a comparison, FIFA mandates that regulation soccer balls be between 15.6 and 8.5 psi for a match, which is comparatively an enormous range.
OnWisc said:
He didn't really get into it, but he definitely puts his apostrophes in the wrong places.
It's all going to come down to the ball boy and what he says. If he says that he was instructed to deflate balls, the Pats are cooked. I could even foresee a one year suspension for Belichik. If the ball boy doesn't talk, it's a far less punishment in my opinion - a draft pick and a fine.
This ball boy is going to get very famous very quickly.
This ball boy is going to get very famous very quickly.
Ironically enough, it would be perfectly legal for him to wear gloves to mitigate that effect.H78 said:
semsox said:
Soccer balls are spheres and the game is played in all weather and conditions. A football I would imagine would denature a lot quicker deflated than a sphere. Also the NFL rule book is akin to Calvinball's rule book.
In the clip, didn't Rodgers reference the strength of his hands, not necessarily the size of his hands?TomRicardo said:
We are going to find out the Pats put the balls in dryers before the inspection.
Between the temperature and the humidity you could easily have a ball deflate 2 psi.
Between the temperature and the humidity you could easily have a ball deflate 2 psi.
Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
Yeah, this comes up a lot in the powerlifting/strongman world. There are a bunch of different kinds of gripping strength, and while large hands are a benefit, gripping/crushing strength is more important.
This is the rule:
"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game."
How can this rule be changed to blame the Pats? That is absurd.
There is still not enough information by way of official channels.
As a football fan, i think that letting this fester without facts is tampering with the integrity of the game far more than any 2 PSI difference.
This absolutely could impact referee judgment calls in the biggest game of the year, absolutely it could.
Especially when the sole judge of football pressure compliance is the referees.
"The Referee shall be the sole judge as to whether all balls offered for play comply with these specifications. A pump is to be furnished by the home club, and the balls shall remain under the supervision of the Referee until they are delivered to the ball attendant just prior to the start of the game."
How can this rule be changed to blame the Pats? That is absurd.
There is still not enough information by way of official channels.
As a football fan, i think that letting this fester without facts is tampering with the integrity of the game far more than any 2 PSI difference.
This absolutely could impact referee judgment calls in the biggest game of the year, absolutely it could.
Especially when the sole judge of football pressure compliance is the referees.
DrewDawg said:
Or do the Pats need to prove that they didn't?
This isn't a court of law, after all.
Filet-O-Fisk said:
The only question remaining is what is regulation number of boundaries pushed? The league seems to have taken that part of the rulebook down.
This isn't a court of law. Godell can do as he pleases based on circumstantial evidence alone.DrewDawg said:
As TRic noted above, they might have cooked the balls up in a dryer before handing them in for inspection, knowing that they'd come down below spec after they cooled off.
Mangini is on public record as saying he regrets outing the Pats for Spygate, right? Wonder if the Colts will feel this way soon.
Can the NFL turn this into a locked room murder mystery? "The ball was fine when the refs gave it to you, now it's not fine. If not you, then who/how?"86spike said:
Omar's Wacky Neighbor said:
I would actually pay money for a drunken Jim Irsay to look at Belichick and scream, "DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED, COACH?"
Now, I may be a lowly data analyst, but does the league measure the pressure of balls in game? Is there a real world mean and a standard deviation against which to compare the balls Patriots used? How long after the the game were the balls measured? How much pressure does a non-tampered with football lose over time in 40 degree weather naturally? It seems like there are a lot of questions that need to be answered in the way that the League is performing this "investigation" that goes beyond sleuthing. I assume that the null hypothesis here should be that the Pats didn't cheat, but I wouldn't be shocked if they were approaching it the other way around.
Jed Zeppelin said:
This really made me laugh. BB is going to humiliate them every chance he gets, that will be awesome to watch.
This is legitimately the dumbest scandal I've ever seen. Sometimes I feel like humanity is being tested as to how much we can be manipulated -- and we're failing.
drleather2001 said:
They're just pissed about everything football-related this week.
I'm more concerned we're on the same side as Florida.
DrewDawg said:
The supervision component is also important i agree, but the SOLE Judge designation is unambiguous- even if the patriots provided balls out of specification, they are not the judge of compliance- ONLY the referee is.
By not being the sole judge, they are also not responsible for out of specification balls. The responsibility falls ENTIRELY on the referee. There has been absolutely no evidence that the Patriots deflated the balls post inspection/pre game, until this evidence is provided and vetted, i am extremely skeptical of any tampering. Given the magnitude of leaks already, direct evidence of ball tampering would have circled the world a million billion times already...
If you define cheating as not following the letter of every NFL rule from front to to back, then yeah, but I dont know which team is going to actually draft or play in the Super Bowl this year if a marginally underinflated ball calls for sanctions like loss of a high draft pick, suspension of a head coach, or forfeiture as some of the hottest of takes have opined.There is no Rev said:
Ya know....TomRicardo said:
It isn't too far fetched to consider a ball boy trying to keep balls dry, might have overcompensated during the 1st half by over-using sideline mechanical heat/drying equipment the extent it somehow stretched the balls?
That's what I'm going with.
With all the cameras present at an event like this, I find it hard to believe that they can't find near constant footage of the bag of balls on the sideline during the game itself, so any tampering would pretty much have to have occurred between the initial check and the start of the game, right?
Not looking good--ESPN now reporting the refs double-checked the ball pressures five minutes before the game--which makes sense since the Colts complained after the first regular season game about the same thing.Then the balls--and presumably not the Colts'--were two pounds down at halftime.
this is still illegal...as evidence by Minnesota doing that a few years ago, referenced a few pages back.staz said:
Again, this isn't a court of law with the burden of proof therein, it's a star chamber. It's been reported that the refs did inspect the balls as prescribed prior to the game, and then 11 of 12 were out of compliance by the half when inspected again.soxfanSJCA said:
When has the league ever slapped down huge punishment in an ambiguous situation? Their natural inclination is to sweep things under the rug, not trump them up. Pats aren't losing a high pick or getting BB suspended unless the league can say what happened IMO.
24%
Still too many unanswered questions to make a judgment
51%
Patriots got caught pulling a fast one, which was particularly dumb since they didn't need the advantage
25%
Who cares? The Patriots won by 38; a little more air wouldn't have made a difference
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