glennhoffmania said:
Ha. Good timing.
If he plays in 150 games and averages 4.5 PAs per game, he'll have to hit .296 to reach 3500 hits (assuming a BB rate of around 8%). I'm not holding my breath.
terrynever said:MLB Network all over this. One-hour special on tap later today. Good viewing for Curt as he recovers from surgery!
I believe these are measured as "intangibles."terrynever said:Well stated, EE. This speaks to the clarity of today's announcement. It eliminates the speculation, stops the questions. And if he actually plays well this season, maybe he does so because the pressure is off and he can just enjoy one last ride around the league.
You could also make the case that he wasn't better than ARod, Nomar and Tejada when they were all in their prime at the same time at peak value.Kliq said:Jeter has always been overrated, but when it comes to all time great SS, he is probably in the top 5. You could even make the case that he is #2. Wagner is and will probably always be the best ever, but after him it gets fishy. Ripken had longevity but was never that dominant (kind of like Jeter) Banks only played half his career there, and after them you have Barry Larkin, Joe Cronin, Robin Yount etc. Bill James will tell you that Arky Vaughn was better than everyone but Wagner, but IDK how many people would agree with him.
mauidano said:Okay who has the MFY family picture crying outside the funeral home?
mabrowndog said:
Then what other possible reason is there for him to announce this on February 12? Regardless of what his body might be telling him, why make this public knowledge, and why do it now? Why not do what Larry Bird did and just abruptly tell the press "That's it, I'm done." once the season ends?
Instead he's pulling a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and THAT was easily the most nauseating sports farewell tour of the last 40 years. You could see the disdain in Red Auerbach's eyes when they presented that phony whining fuck with a framed piece of the Garden parquet along with various other trinkets.
Or is Jeter just doing George's kids a "solid" to help them sell more $4,375 front row tickets?
Could be, Sampo. On a related note, Jeter announcing his intent to retire on Facebook to me is evidence of the resentment he still feels against the organization over the negotiations for his last big contract.Sampo Gida said:
The other possibility is that he had a set back in his workouts, or is just not progressing as fast and realizes his days as a SS are pretty much over, retirement or not, Better to announce first than wait until the fans and press are calling for you to retire..
terrynever said:Could be, Sampo. On a related note, Jeter announcing his intent to retire on Facebook to me is evidence of the resentment he still feels against the organization over the negotiations for his last big contract.
No, I'm talking about the comments made by Randy Levine and/or Cashman telling Jeter he could go out on the market and try to find a better offer. I don't think Jeter ever forgave them for that.jon abbey said:
This is funny if true, he really earned a lot of that $17M deal last year.
Edit: This ended up being a 4/63 deal, which included one solid season, one very good season, one totally lost season, and the upcoming one. More than fair at the time, more than fair in retrospect.
terrynever said:No, I'm talking about the comments made by Randy Levine and/or Cashman telling Jeter he could go out on the market and try to find a better offer. I don't think Jeter ever forgave them for that.
I imagine some of the blame goes on Jeter for thinking the owners would give him the kind of crazy deal Alex got after his opt-out in 2007. Obviously, Jeter didn't have the kind of leverage 54 homers provided his buddy. He was probably asking for $22M per year for 4 years, if I recall the general numbers correctly. And that wasn't going to happen at his age. So you're right that he was asking for too much. But Jeter made it personal after the quote about going out on the market became public. I don't think he ever forgot it. And that's why we were treated to a Facebook announcement when he could have waited one week and done this at Steinbrenner Field. So I find that interesting, and unsurprising, because within a few years, Jeter will be owning part of either Tampa or Miami and will be competing against the Yankees.jon abbey said:I'm trying to pull up our thread from then, but I don't see it. I remember Ken Tremendous started it midseason 2010 (or maybe even earlier), in the hopes that Jeter would get some massive A-Rod type deal.
Again, I don't usually agree with Yankee management, but Close/Jeter were asking for some massive deal (I don't remember the specifics and couldn't find them with a bit of googling) and wouldn't really negotiate. NY wasn't left with much choice. If he is still pissed about that 3 1/2 years later, it's his issue but I don't think it's justified.
Here you go:I'm trying to pull up our thread from then, but I don't see it. I remember Ken Tremendous started it midseason 2010 (or maybe even earlier), in the hopes that Jeter would get some massive A-Rod type deal.
Again, I don't usually agree with Yankee management, but Close/Jeter were asking for some massive deal (I don't remember the specifics and couldn't find them with a bit of googling) and wouldn't really negotiate. NY wasn't left with much choice. If he is still pissed about that 3 1/2 years later, it's his issue but I don't think it's justified.
You mean like this? His last series was going to be at Fenway too.8slim said:I find it most likely that he'll be on the DL by the time we get to that last series in Fenway. Given all his injuries last year and the fact that he's 40 it certainly would be no surprise if he breaks down over the summer and that's that.
terrynever said:Could be, Sampo. On a related note, Jeter announcing his intent to retire on Facebook to me is evidence of the resentment he still feels against the organization over the negotiations for his last big contract.
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SemperFidelisSox said:You will never convince me that he wasn't using PEDs in the late 90's and early 2000's along with every other top player at the shortstop position during that era.
I think you're looking far too into what Semp was saying.Sampo Gida said:
Why qualify it for SS or top players. I think most players in this period at least tried one PED or another. The ones who did not had a fear of needles or fear of the side effects. The type of PED's and usage may have differed depending on position the players objective. Some players just wanted to help with recovery and durability so did not bulk up, while those looking to boost power got bigger. We kind of give the smaller guys who did not hit for power a pass, and am not sure this is fair,
But there is no evidence Jeter used, so either he is smarter than most, or he was clean.
reggiecleveland said:I kinda want him to get all his gifts while in a wheel chair.
Which would increase his mobilityreggiecleveland said:I kinda want him to get all his gifts while in a wheel chair.
Bleedred said:What are the other MFY nicknames?:
Fruitbat = Mariano
Shemp = Matsui
Cap'n Intangibles = Jeter
Toilet = Yankee Stadium
MFY = Yankees
SIAS = Steinbrenner
Others?
Sound familiar? It’s almost as if the Captain cribbed his farewell from a previous pinstriped icon, just as he mirrored DiMaggio’s graceful movements, his high average, and his affection for starlets.
ou all know I’ve had my share of injuries and setbacks during my career. In recent years these have been too frequent to laugh off. When baseball is no longer fun, it’s no longer a game. And so, I’ve played my last game of ball.
Those were the words Joe DiMaggio chose when he said goodbye to baseball. Understated. Elegant. Effective. The same way he was on the field.
I couldn’t help but hear those words on Wednesday, when Derek Jeter confirmed his intention to retire at the end of the year.
As I suffered through a bunch of injuries, I realized that some of the things that always came easily to me and were always fun had started to become a struggle. The one thing I always said to myself was that when baseball started to feel more like a job, it would be time to move forward.
Bleedred said:What are the other MFY nicknames?:
Fruitbat = Mariano
Shemp = Matsui
Cap'n Intangibles = Jeter
Toilet = Yankee Stadium
MFY = Yankees
SIAS = Steinbrenner
Others?
This way, of course, the Yankees get what they want: a retirement tour. That’s one way to sell tickets when you barely have a second baseman. And Jeter gets to spend his final season taking bows and getting gifts wherever he goes.
terrynever said:If the Yankees sign Stephen Drew, wouldn't they be better off with Jeter at third base? Give him six weeks of spring training to make the transition. Then they eliminate a fielding weakness at SS plus they have a platoon guy at third base in Kelly Johnson to take some of the load off Jeter. They get better at two infield positions.
This isn't 10 years ago when Jeter was still in his prime. He's not a solid shortstop anymore, hasn't been for some time. This time, take one for the team, Jeter, and move to third base.
terrynever said:If the Yankees sign Stephen Drew, wouldn't they be better off with Jeter at third base? Give him six weeks of spring training to make the transition. Then they eliminate a fielding weakness at SS plus they have a platoon guy at third base in Kelly Johnson to take some of the load off Jeter. They get better at two infield positions.
This isn't 10 years ago when Jeter was still in his prime. He's not a solid shortstop anymore, hasn't been for some time. This time, take one for the team, Jeter, and move to third base.
If management had any balls, they would just order him over to third base. Cashman and Girardi. How can it not make perfect sense?glennhoffmania said:
Good one. Thanks for the laugh.
Horseface will still be there as will Slappy assuming they let him back into the bidet after his suspension.Bleedred said:What are the other MFY nicknames?:
Fruitbat = Mariano
Shemp = Matsui
Cap'n Intangibles = Jeter
Toilet = Yankee Stadium
MFY = Yankees
SIAS = Steinbrenner
Others?