TRADE DEADLINE GAME THREAD
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Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 1m1 minute ago
In Carlos Beltran deal, Rangers sending more to Yankees than Dillon Tate.
In Carlos Beltran deal, Rangers sending more to Yankees than Dillon Tate.
Let's just hope all these awesome prospects don't pan out for the Yankees. I would really hate to have to go back to watching them in the World Series almost ever year.
Luckily for the Sox, the Yankees don't have any young talent already on the roster on the same level as Betts and X.
Very impressed with Cashman today. Has totally rebuilt their farm system if the Tate story is true.
Imagine how awful we're going to feel when Bryce Harper or Paul Goldschmidt goes on the block and the Yankees have more prospect capital than we do.
I was in LA for work and was staying at Sox hotel. Was sitting next to DD, Wren and Hazen at the hotel Starbucks. Quite a morning!
The Yankees, who hasn't been sellers in 100 years, just lucked into being sellers in the best selling market we can remember.
What a haul, they're absolutely loaded with minor league equity now.
What a haul, they're absolutely loaded with minor league equity now.
Was coming to post exact same thought. He's maneuvered brilliantly since his arrival in identifying his target and moving quickly before the market got heated.
Really wondering about Lucroy now. Seems as though the Mets, Rangers and Indians have all went elsewhere. Who else was interested in him?
That's what Eduardo Perez was guessing would happen on ESPN earlier today. Collect the prospects, then send 'em to the White Sox for Sale. Sign Chapman in the offseason and they've got a powerful 1-2 in the rotation and bullpen.
The Yanks are having one hell of a deadline.
Dillon Tate (pre-season): 4) Dillon Tate, RHP, Grade B+: Age 21, first round pick from UC Santa Barbara last June, mid-90s fastball with nasty slider and good command for a power pitcher, former closer still working on change-up and it should be at least decent. Number two upside depending on how workload management goes, with closer as the backup option.
Fangraphs Fastball: 55/60/70 Slider: 55/65/70 Changeup: 40/45-50/50+ Command: 45/50/55
Overall: 45/55-60/70
He's had a pretty forgettable 2016 in Single-A: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa874239&position=P
Fangraphs Fastball: 55/60/70 Slider: 55/65/70 Changeup: 40/45-50/50+ Command: 45/50/55
Overall: 45/55-60/70
He's had a pretty forgettable 2016 in Single-A: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa874239&position=P
Why dude? You realize all the High A prospect they've gotten over the last couple of weeks could flame out, yeah?
As of right now the Sox still have more valuable prospect capital, just not as much of it.
I think the very top of the Sox system is still stronger than the Yankees, but the Yankees are way ahead on quantity now.
How are they getting more than the #69 ranked prospect according to BA for 2 months of Carlos Beltran? This is easily the worst trade this year.
Getting Beltran gives the Rangers breathing room if they trade Gallo in a Lucroy deal
It also stinks that they are unloading helpful pieces to every contending team that the Sox would have to compete with this year.
Yankees just became the top farm system in baseball. I can assure you that Sale will be wearing pinstripes at some point. Tate and others for 2 months of freaking Beltran?!!!
Of course, I follow prospects pretty closely. But they got all of this by trading RPs and they will probably re-sign Chapman anyway. I enjoyed it more when they sucked AND had no future.
Looking at overall body of work. Cashner has never completed a full season of even being a good starting pitcher.
we have one game left with Cleveland, none with Rangers, obviously none with Cubs. take your chances in the playoffs if we get there.
Tate's stock has definitely dropped some in 2016. The preseason reports may be a bit optimistic. He's not out of high school so he's got to show some progress pretty quickly.
That's still a lot to give up though for 60 games of a DH.
That's still a lot to give up though for 60 games of a DH.
Yankees deadline just makes me think back to our '14 deadline and it couldn't be more of a contrast.
I think its borderline necessary good luck getting through that Tex lineup if they add him on top of Beltran
This, I agree with. I still think Ben must have been operating with instructions that he couldn't load the system and needed guys who were "ready."
(which of course makes no sense for a team that was hovering around last place at the time)
Wait, are people seriously saying the Yankees have the best farm system in baseball now? I mean, that's a freaking gigantic leap for one deadline.
Jack Curry @JackCurryYES 5m5 minutes ago
For Chapman, Miller & Beltran, Yankees acquired 10 minor leaguers (several elite) & Warren.
For Chapman, Miller & Beltran, Yankees acquired 10 minor leaguers (several elite) & Warren.
And it isn't like he's been exactly lighting the world on fire in high A either. At this point, he's a name on a list with potential. I'm not losing any sleep over Tate.
Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo both said that yesterday, before this Beltran trade. Their new rankings come out Wednesday, after this all settles.
Yeah and supposedly there are a couple other pieces to the deal.
Tate's value is down, but that is a lot to give up for a rental, and would be a very good deal for the Yankees. If his stuff doesn't bounce back as a starter maybe he ends getting converted to relief where the stuff he had would play as a closer
I don't think they have a single prospect on the level of any of the Sox top 3. They got several good prospects. This isn't the second coming of Jeter, Posada, Rivera and Pettite.
You should look at Cashner's 2013, which is much more recent and relevant than Clay's 2010. Both are the only such season for either player and Cashner hasn't completely shit the bed this year. Teams are looking for players to help them right now and I hate to break it to you but Clay doesn't offer anything to a contender. Guys like Cashner and Will Smith do. If they DFA'ed Clay right now, I'd bet dollars to donuts he'd pass waivers.
Whenever people get on Cashman I just think back to his trade record. I cannot ever remember anything but being dumbfounded at how he gets the deals he does. Three prospects including a #4 pick for two months of a 40 year old DH? The Chapman sequence of moves? Andrew Miller was going to get a king's ransom no matter what, but that is tremendously impressive.
High A? He is one year removed from the draft. He isn't quite in Troy Ball territory as an impending bust here.
I don't fear them maturing into a super team, as I think a lot of these guys are far enough away and none are studs. I do, however, fear Cashman packaging a bunch of them and overpaying for a Sale or similar trade acquisition before they flame out. Give the guy credit, he generally does well in moving overhyped prospects for value before they show their warts.
Yeah there is no way the Yankees are waiting for a bunch of single A prospects to mature before becoming competitive again. A lot of these guys are going to be flipped for major league ready talent. Probably in the offseason when the asking prices are lower.
Unless the Yankees acquire Sale today or in the off-season, or Jose Fernandez, it's not exactly a juggernaut rotation to worry about just yet.
Cashman has done a great job, but I can't even believe we're talking about them right now.
The guys they dealt were having great years, that's a lot of talent they need to recoup to be relevant in the next year or two.
Cashman has done a great job, but I can't even believe we're talking about them right now.
The guys they dealt were having great years, that's a lot of talent they need to recoup to be relevant in the next year or two.
