2014-15 Trade Deadline Thread

[Grin&MartyBarret]

Who are they knocking out? Miami just got a ton better after getting Dragic for nothing.  Charlotte, Brooklyn, Boston, Detroit are all gonna be in a dogfight for that last spot with most of those teams upgrading today.

 
My guess is Charlotte falls out. But I didn't really think about Detroit, so you're right, the odds are probably better they're on the outside looking in.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

My early winners from deadlinepalooza are Miami and the Cs. I think OKC may have weakened themselves by losing Jackson. Kanter is better than Perk and I guess they are keying on beating the Grizz or Spurs - but Enes is undersized and sucks on defense.

Edit: of course dust has yet to settle

 

[ElUno20]

I swear john salmons has been in a deal every deadline and offseason for the last 1000 years

 

[southshoresoxfan]

Celtics spun the Pierce trade exception into Isiah Thomas and Tyler Zeller. Nifty moves by Ainge.

This is going to be like that office episode when Dwight starts w a paperclip and trades his way all the way up til Jim.hoses him a magic bean.

 

[AMS25]

My early winners from deadlinepalooza are Miami and the Cs. I think OKC may have weakened themselves by losing Jackson. Kanter is better than Perk and I guess they are keying on beating the Grizz or Spurs - but Enes is undersized and sucks on defense.

Edit: of course dust has yet to settle

 
Jackson hasn't been doing much this year. Plus, the Thunder got Steve Novak from the Jazz and Kyle Singler and D.J. Augustin from the Pistons! (Yay.)

 

[RedOctober3829]

The big winner today is Milwaukee.  The trio of MCW, Greek Freak, and Jabari Parker is a scary core.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

 
Jackson hasn't been doing much this year. Plus, the Thunder got Steve Novak from the Jazz and Kyle Singler and D.J. Augustin from the Pistons! (Yay.)

Augustin is ok I guess but Jackson, flaws and all, is a better player. Singler is bench depth who can hit from deep. Novak is the subject of a viral rap video made by some kid who has probably moved on to the reddit fappening threads as his new obsession by now. He is the quintessential "keep gettin' dem checks" guy.

 

[AMS25]

Augustin is ok I guess but Jackson, flaws and all, is a better player. Singler is bench depth who can hit from deep. Novak is the subject of a viral rap video made by some kid who has probably moved on to the reddit fappening threads as his new obsession by now. He is the quintessential "keep gettin' dem checks" guy.

 
You may be right re: Jackson, but he didn't want to stay and his teammates have felt like he hasn't been that invested this year. So, for Thunder fans, it's for the best. Augustin will be the new back-up PG, and Kanter will have to fight with Mitch McGary for starting center minutes while Adams recovers. 

 

[Cellar-Door]

The big winner today is Milwaukee.  The trio of MCW, Greek Freak, and Jabari Parker is a scary core.

I totally disagree. Brandon Knight is a better player than MCW, and he;s the same age. Sure he's cheaper for a few years, and maybe Plumlee makes it up, but I'd say it is a talent downgrade.

 

[Jed Zeppelin]

Not crazy about that Lakers pick ending up in Philly's hands. Potentially great value unless LAL have a major rebound. Their rebuild is still very light on current talent though. The whole thing might hinge on Embiid being able to stay on the floor.

 

[Wave em in Wendall]

Biggest shocker for me is that Milwaukee traded Knight. He's young and has been playing fantastic for them all season. To be in the playoff hunt and trade him is a huge risk. Kidd must love MCW. 

 

[moondog80]

Biggest shocker for me is that Milwaukee traded Knight. He's young and has been playing fantastic for them all season. To be in the playoff hunt and trade him is a huge risk. Kidd must love MCW. 

 
The story is that Knight is a FA and they think the won't re-sign.

 

[the1andonly3003]

Bill Simmons recap of this deadline will be a hoot

 

[nighthob]

Not crazy about that Lakers pick ending up in Philly's hands. Potentially great value unless LAL have a major rebound. Their rebuild is still very light on current talent though. The whole thing might hinge on Embiid being able to stay on the floor.

The counter to that is that if the Lakers make a draft night move with their top 5 protected pick, and then sign Rondo next summer, that Dallas first becomes extra valuable while Philly could end up with a bottom 12 pick.

 

[Kliq]

All of this happening and Zach Lowe can't comment because his wife gave birth to their first child this morning.
 
I hate the MIL trade for MCW. I guess it makes sense if there was zero chance he was going to resign, but Knight has been significantly better than MCW, and he only just turned 23. Couple that with the fact that Philly traded away one if its only NBA caliber players, the reigning ROY, should be a massive white flag on MCW. Plumlee might be good, but he was getting beaten out by Brandon Wright and Alex Len for playing time in Phoenix. It really bums me to see Milwaukee dump their on-court leader of a fun team, in hopes of figuring out MCW. I agree with Wave em in Wendell, Kidd must be a huge fan. 

 

[Scoops Bolling]

Bill Simmons recap of this deadline will be a hoot

All of this happening and Zach Lowe can't comment because his wife gave birth to their first child this morning.
 
I hate the MIL trade for MCW. I guess it makes sense if there was zero chance he was going to resign, but Knight has been significantly better than MCW, and he only just turned 23. Couple that with the fact that Philly traded away one if its only NBA caliber players, the reigning ROY, should be a massive white flag on MCW. Plumlee might be good, but he was getting beaten out by Brandon Wright and Alex Len for playing time in Phoenix. It really bums me to see Milwaukee dump their on-court leader of a fun team, in hopes of figuring out MCW. I agree with Wave em in Wendell, Kidd must be a huge fan. 

In other words, Simmons is going to shoehorn Lowe into doing one of their awful "trading emails" columns where Lowe does all the heavy lifting and Simmons cracks shitty jokes.
 
If nothing else, the Bucks have some fascinating pieces to build around.

 

[Blacken]

My early winners from deadlinepalooza are Miami and the Cs. I think OKC may have weakened themselves by losing Jackson. Kanter is better than Perk and I guess they are keying on beating the Grizz or Spurs - but Enes is undersized and sucks on defense.

Ibaka can cover for a lot of his defensive issues, though, and Kyle Singler is a decent off-the-bench wing shooter. I think it's no worse than a wash, and I think it's a big plus--honestly anything that handcuffs Scott Brooks a little is probably good for them.

I got some shit before for calling OKC a non-contender, but I think Kanter makes them much more credible. An outside shot, but a shot.

In other words, Simmons is going to shoehorn Lowe into doing one of their awful "trading emails" columns where Lowe does all the heavy lifting and Simmons cracks shitty jokes.

I enjoy them, honestly (and from what I hear, Lowe enjoys working with Simmons on collaborative columns). Lowe's obviously the smartest media member out there but I find his writing a little dry (much better spoken than written), whereas I find Simmons readable but kind of dumb. He gets to play monkey, and it works.

 

[amfox1]

Not crazy about that Lakers pick ending up in Philly's hands. Potentially great value unless LAL have a major rebound. Their rebuild is still very light on current talent though. The whole thing might hinge on Embiid being able to stay on the floor.

 
If the Lakers fall out of the top five, Philly may have nine picks in this draft (and that's with the Celtics owning Philly's 2nd round pick).
 
1st round:  PHI (assuming they will not make the playoffs), LAL (1-5 protected this year, may roll over to 2016), MIA (1-10 protected this year, should be conveyed), OKC (1-18 protected this year, should be conveyed).
 
2nd round: ORL, DEN, NO, HOU, GSW
 
Right now, PHI would have picks 3 (PHI), 15 (MIA), 35 (ORL), 38 (DEN), 43 (NO), 56 (HOU) and 60 (GSW) but would not have LAL (currently 4)/OKC (currently 14) 1st rounders.  Presumably OKC will make the playoffs and the pick will be conveyed this year.
 
By way of comparison, Boston has five picks in this draft as of today (11 (BOS), 23 (LAC), 33 (PHI), 41 (BOS) and 50 (WAS))
 
It is possible that BOS and PHI will, between them, have nearly 25% of the picks in the draft (14 of 60).

 

[The Social Chair]

This is the most fun October - Feb stretch in NBA history right? 

 

[southshoresoxfan]

This is the most fun October - Feb stretch in NBA history right? 

No question. And now its buyout season!

 

[Kliq]

I enjoy them, honestly (and from what I hear, Lowe enjoys working with Simmons on collaborative columns). Lowe's obviously the smartest media member out there but I find his writing a little dry (much better spoken than written), whereas I find Simmons readable but kind of dumb. He gets to play monkey, and it works.

 
Case in point: From the shootaround email chain from Grantland today:
 

 
Miami becomes a title contender if it can get him without touching its top four … at least until we remember that Dwyane Wade couldn’t play 38 MPG for four straight rounds even if Anthony Bosch, Brian McNamee and Ivan Drago’s trainer were training him. But we won’t remember that until, like, late April, right?
 

 
There is pretty much only one writer in the world who can write a sentence like that.

 

[LondonSox]

 
If the Lakers fall out of the top five, Philly may have nine picks in this draft (and that's with the Celtics owning Philly's 2nd round pick).
 
1st round:  PHI (assuming they will not make the playoffs), LAL (1-5 protected this year, may roll over to 2016), MIA (1-10 protected this year, should be conveyed), OKC (1-18 protected this year, should be conveyed).
 
2nd round: ORL, DEN, NO, HOU, GSW
 
Right now, PHI would have picks 3 (PHI), 15 (MIA), 35 (ORL), 38 (DEN), 43 (NO), 56 (HOU) and 60 (GSW) but would not have LAL (currently 4)/OKC (currently 14) 1st rounders.  Presumably OKC will make the playoffs and the pick will be conveyed this year.
 
By way of comparison, Boston has five picks in this draft as of today (11 (BOS), 23 (LAC), 33 (PHI), 41 (BOS) and 50 (WAS))
 
It is possible that BOS and PHI will, between them, have nearly 25% of the picks in the draft (14 of 60).

Not to mention philly also made themselves significantly worse for this season for their own pick.
The Sixers fans have to root for the Sixers to lose, the Lakers and thunder to win, and also that if the Lakers sucks they continue to suck next year too!

I think this was certainly possible after the rumors hinkie was open to moving mcw in the draft. I don't think they ever think he will shoot, it's a but strange timing as he's been playing his best basketball pre getting hurt.
I love the Denver trade, a first round pick for nothing this season (still below the floor)
I thought kj McDaniels would move, h refused the hinkie special and the Sixers didn't want to f with all that but seems a poor return or at least unexciting.

With wooten and mcw out and gone I think the starting sixers point will be a 10 contract guy. Tank on tanking.

 

[Ed Hillel]

This is the most fun October - Feb stretch in NBA history right? 

It's because there's actually some level of parity, for once. When's the last time 10-12 teams legitimately had a chance at the title at the ASB? I can't remember.

 

[jon abbey]

Meanwhile, Chris Bosh might be done for the year with a blood clot in his lung before playing a minute together with Dragic:
 
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12352792/miami-heat-star-chris-bosh-miss-rest-season-following-tests-lungs

 

[Clears Cleaver]

The sixers might have to add payroll to meet the minimum, if not, then the guys on the roister get bumped up until they hit the 90% threshold. If I was those guys, I wouldn't want the team to add any new players
 
MCW is a terrible player. I can't see how this is a good thing for the development of the young Bucks. but they are not locked into keeping him I suppose
 
With Bosh maybe done for the year, the acquisition of Dragic doesn't really mean much now in the East

 

[nighthob]

Well it keeps the Heat in their spot by replacing Bosh's offense.

 

[LondonSox]

The sixers might have to add payroll to meet the minimum, if not, then the guys on the roister get bumped up until they hit the 90% threshold. If I was those guys, I wouldn't want the team to add any new players
 
MCW is a terrible player. I can't see how this is a good thing for the development of the young Bucks. but they are not locked into keeping him I suppose
 
With Bosh maybe done for the year, the acquisition of Dragic doesn't really mean much now in the East

Yeah because mcw is a better player than most of the rest on a high pace team is going to make his counting stats good but the guy cannot shoot. His percentages and turnovers are horrible. I think he can learn to run an offense but I am unclear he'll ever shoot.
Anyone disappointed he netted a bad teams limited protection number 1 is a bit crazy.

If the Lakers get unlucky in the lottery it could be realistically as high as 6.
I know people think the Lakers will be better next year with a free agent, Randle and kobe back but... I don't see them out of the lottery and it's only top 3 protected next year.
Edit the payroll floor is how they do things like McGee without blinking. First round pick and a player for nothing. They will keep being happy to do that stuff

 

[dylanmarsh]

Sour grapes abound in Phoenix with Dragic and his camp's actions pre-deadline:
 

 
"We haven't had a chance to talk over the past couple of days as we've been behind closed doors in our bunker getting these transactions done, but I wanted to offer a robust response to some of the comments made by Goran and his representatives," Babby began. "We have absolutely no problem and take no issue with his right to decide where he's going to play when he becomes a free agent, and the role that he wants to have on the team that he's going to be playing for. That's his prerogative, his right and we fully respect that.
 
"What I personally take issue with, however, is the unfair and I think unwarranted aspersions that he cast on our front office and, indirectly, on our organization as a whole.
 
"In all my years as a professional, as a lawyer, as an agent as an executive, I've learned that the only thing that really you have at the end of the day is your integrity and your trustworthiness, and it has always been my view that I will operate at the highest levels of professionalism and integrity and those people that work with me will operate in the same fashion. I'm confident that we do that."

 

[Cellar-Door]

Sour grapes abound in Phoenix with Dragic and his camp's actions pre-deadline:
 

To be fair Dragic is an unprofessional prick who cares a lot more about his numbers and a good nightlife than winning basketball games.

 

[Devizier]

Although, to be doubly fair, I mean, Phoenix.

 

[bbc23]

And there's the fact that, despite being an MVP candidate last year, Phoenix kept bringing in more PGs which understandably upset him.  How does it look to him if there's 2 other PGs on the roster competing for his minutes that are being paid a combined 20 mil?

 

[Cellar-Door]

And there's the fact that, despite being an MVP candidate last year, Phoenix kept bringing in more PGs which understandably upset him.  How does it look to him if there's 2 other PGs on the roster competing for his minutes that are being paid a combined 20 mil?

Sure, I agree he has a legitimate beef about his role with regards to the Thomas signing. (though it was made worse by Dragic not wanting to play off the ball. he still got 33 MPG and 13 FGA a game this year, only down 1.7 minutes and 1.3 FGA).
I just think that he undercuts it quite a bit by demanding a trade with a preference for two of the worst teams in the league when his team is fighting for a playoff spot.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

And there's the fact that, despite being an MVP candidate last year, Phoenix kept bringing in more PGs which understandably upset him.  How does it look to him if there's 2 other PGs on the roster competing for his minutes that are being paid a combined 20 mil?

Phoenix was being proactive as they knew this day was coming. This wasn't something that Team Dragic caught them off guard with last week and the Suns were prepared by refusing to move Bledsoe and adding scoring off the bench.