2014 Denver Broncos: Popping Mollies and Adderrall
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The Broncos should be competitive next year, but this is their best shot IMO. They've addressed their main weaknesses on defense and have a healthy Miller and Harris. The D can certainly be had and has given up leads this year, but like Indy back in the day, I think they'll play well with a lead especially at home.
Yada yada long season, injuries, but of the big guns in the league, Denver has the least question marks so far. Year of the Peyton (including a collective "awe, shucks" at the practiced pranks) is here.
Yada yada long season, injuries, but of the big guns in the league, Denver has the least question marks so far. Year of the Peyton (including a collective "awe, shucks" at the practiced pranks) is here.
Stitch01 said:
Honestly, it should be, but who on earth predicted the guy would be at his absolute peak right now, 38 years old and a couple of years removed from multiple neck surgeries? If Manning's career was going to follow anything like an ordinary trajectory, he would not be average 3+ TD's a game at this point. That he is obviously doesn't indicate he'll play forever, but I do think its tricky to gauge how many years he has left. If anyone is going to still be productive into their forties, he will.
They were in the Year of Peyton in 2012 until the famous Joe Flacco pass. The Year of Peyton was last year until the snap goes over his head to start the SB and 43-8 happened. Weird crap always seems to circle around Peyton's teams. The only SB he won he beat the Bears and Rex Grossman. They look good now, but you just wait. They find a way to screw it up.
Officiating last night was brutal. You want to give the officials the benefit of the doubt of being merely incompetent, but that was really rough.
Manning also told his fans to shut the fuck up and tried to get the scoreboard operator fired after the game. He's just so darn fiery and competitive!
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24765368/peyton-manning-goes-off-on-broncos-disrespectful-scoreboard-operator?v=1&vc=1
Manning also told his fans to shut the fuck up and tried to get the scoreboard operator fired after the game. He's just so darn fiery and competitive!
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24765368/peyton-manning-goes-off-on-broncos-disrespectful-scoreboard-operator?v=1&vc=1
Ed Hillel said:
What an asshole. Seriously, get over yourself. It was late in the 4th quarter of a rout.
Then he tried to cover it up with some sort of "I'm a true gentleman" bullshit:
Anybody who says he's not a stats whore is a fool. He's great, yes. But he's also as Me First as they come.
Peyton Manning and John Fox, what could possibly go wrong?RedOctober3829 said:
How can they afford all these players in the salary cap era?
I fully admit to being biased here, but I'm sorry, Joe Sixpack doing anything but sitting on his hands when you have the ball isn't going to screw up your play. NFL offenses are capable of performing at a high level on he road in extremely loud environments, let alone at home. So what if DT can't hear you scratch your ass, Peyton?
Mile High is actually a great place to watch a game. The fans are into it and it gets loud. That Peyton feels the need to crap on them and the stadium operator annoys me more then it should.
Mile High is actually a great place to watch a game. The fans are into it and it gets loud. That Peyton feels the need to crap on them and the stadium operator annoys me more then it should.
I really dislike him so much. Over the years I have tried to convince myself that I should "respect' him and not dislike him, but fuck that.
Andrew said:
I just want to kick him in his stupid face.
Why isn't this gif superimposed to him throwing a hissy fit in a toy store or something?
On something more lighthearted, Broncos practice squad safety John Boyett was arrested after punching a cabbie - but not before he stole a shovel from a construction site and tried to hide from officers by covering himself in mulch.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26786072/police-ex-bronco-john-boyett-punched-cabbie-urged?source=infinite
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26786072/police-ex-bronco-john-boyett-punched-cabbie-urged?source=infinite
Guess John Boyett loves Klemko too. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. He just forgot to steal the cab.
fully agree that Manning is an anal retentive control freak, I've spent years hating him.
I've also spent years arguing that Brady is better, but while on the point above I don't have to concede -- I can still dislike/root against the guy -- sadly I do have to concede not just by comparison to Brady but in terms of GOAT. I'm amazed watching him play these days. Yes he has better receivers, etc. But...he's playing as well as I've ever seen a QB play.
And doesn't mean he's not an a-hole for calling out the scoreboard operator.
NatetheGreat said:
I've also spent years arguing that Brady is better, but while on the point above I don't have to concede -- I can still dislike/root against the guy -- sadly I do have to concede not just by comparison to Brady but in terms of GOAT. I'm amazed watching him play these days. Yes he has better receivers, etc. But...he's playing as well as I've ever seen a QB play.
And doesn't mean he's not an a-hole for calling out the scoreboard operator.
It's funny how powerful the hate for him is. The Colts were the Pats out of division rival...and immediately weren't when he left. Now the Broncos are.
All because of Peyton and Tom.
The Broncos are probably due for a big injury at some point, can't keep happening to the Pats and not them.
All because of Peyton and Tom.
The Broncos are probably due for a big injury at some point, can't keep happening to the Pats and not them.
The thing is, I totally get that Manning being an obsessive control freak is both part of who he is, and an integral part of his success. Every team he's been on has ended up being completely shaped into what he wants it to be, and they generally win a lot as a result. He's taken a lot of otherwise mediocre wide receivers and made them into important pieces of great offenses, in large part because he's such a nut about doing drills and practices until they get the execution perfect (with the understanding that if they don't, they wont have a job there much longer). I don't think its really possible to separate Manning's success as a player from his perfectionist control freak tendencies, and the Broncos absolutely knew that when they went and got him. Hell, its what they wanted. There's a reason that before long they ended up runningbasically the exact same system that Manning used to run in Indy, and it wasn't because Manning is such an easygoing, go with the flow kind of guy.
As such, I don't take issue with Manning wanting the scoreboard operator to refrain from amping up the home crowd when the offense goes to work, even in what is effectively garbage time.
What I do think is kinda shitty is that he made the issue public. Manning runs that Denver team. its not like he needs a media or public outcry to get his point across or make low level team employees listen to him. If after the game he took the scoreboard operator aside and told him not to do it again, I guarantee you that operator would listen. There is absolutely no need to make it a public issue.
As such, I don't take issue with Manning wanting the scoreboard operator to refrain from amping up the home crowd when the offense goes to work, even in what is effectively garbage time.
What I do think is kinda shitty is that he made the issue public. Manning runs that Denver team. its not like he needs a media or public outcry to get his point across or make low level team employees listen to him. If after the game he took the scoreboard operator aside and told him not to do it again, I guarantee you that operator would listen. There is absolutely no need to make it a public issue.
I think this is the best team Peyton has ever had. They're strong top to bottom and on both sides of the ball. In comparison to the Pats they're either close to equal or far superior in nearly every position grouping. (What do Pats have clear edge in? TE?) Time to start rooting for injuries because if they start clicking on all cylinders, look out.
The scoreboard operator thing really bothers me because to call someone out like that, you'd have to be the biggest prick on the planet. You play a game, which you're awesome at, for a living and get paid stupid amounts of money but you still think it's okay to call out some average dude who's just trying to do his job?
Can anyone else vision a scenario where this guy gets canned because he pissed off the anointed one and got called out in public by him?
Can anyone else vision a scenario where this guy gets canned because he pissed off the anointed one and got called out in public by him?
I agree with this. You can easily count on one hand the Pats who would start if you merged the two rosters. This defense is better than anything Peyton had in Indy.amarshal2 said:
John Elway and the people he has working for him get the credit. He new exactly what he had to fix after Feb and went about fixing it.
As things stand right now,
BB >> Fox, but
Peyton > Brady and
Elway > BB in the grocery store
Couldn't agree more. It's kind of mind-blowing that he made it public. Separate from actually being an empirically dickish move, how do you not SEE that it's a dickish move?
Edit: quote fun
Right. There's being a dick -- privately getting the guy fired for making a mistake, having at least the self-awareness to realize that going public would make him look bad. And then there's douche-level dickness of trying to embarrass this guy publicly -- i.e., being such a dick he doesn't even realize what a dick move that is.
Flip side is expect a public apology from Manning when his PR guys tell him it was a mistake. He'll still be a douche.
Flip side is expect a public apology from Manning when his PR guys tell him it was a mistake. He'll still be a douche.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/denvers-unsolvable-defense-puts-it-in-a-league-of-its-own/
Depressing look at Bronco defense by Robert Mays.
Depressing look at Bronco defense by Robert Mays.
The don't make any noise when the offense is at work is such a buzzkill. Where's the fun in sitting on your hands and golf clapping for the home team? It makes for awful television too.
[quote name="dcmissle" post="5702975" timestamp="1414204541
As things stand right now,
BB >> Fox, but
Peyton > Brady and
Elway > BB in the grocery store[/quote]
This year? Sure. Period? No way you can substantiate this. BB has put together a roster as good as the one Peyton has now before. You might remember Brady did a lot with it. Neither GM is going to be able to replicate that type of roster for long.
Edit: don't understand why quote function isn't working on app. Responding to DC saying that Elway better than BB.
As things stand right now,
BB >> Fox, but
Peyton > Brady and
Elway > BB in the grocery store[/quote]
This year? Sure. Period? No way you can substantiate this. BB has put together a roster as good as the one Peyton has now before. You might remember Brady did a lot with it. Neither GM is going to be able to replicate that type of roster for long.
Edit: don't understand why quote function isn't working on app. Responding to DC saying that Elway better than BB.
Bongorific said:
This should inspire other teams to really get riled up when Peyton comes to town, because it's clear he doesn't like crowd noise of any kind.
Fuck him.
Didn't they say the Super Bowl was louder than they expected and it threw them off? Could they be less mentally tough?
There's a measurable home field advantage in football and I believe that noise on offense has a lot to do with bringing down the away team.tims4wins said:
The pats visibly suffered from this in Miami this year.
Loud stadiums have a real effect on running an offense.
Yes.BigSoxFan said:
Being affected by noise in the Super Bowl doesn't indicate mental weakness- noise favors the home team for tangible reasons.
Um it is the Super Bowl there is no home team
Also, to not be prepared for crowd noise is inexcusable
Also, to not be prepared for crowd noise is inexcusable
Career GM comparisons are premature. It would be unfairly skewed in Elway's favor. He has not been at it long enough, and time usually exposes everyone.amarshal2 said:
I simply said that Elway is doing better than BB when both guys have a short fuse. I think the Broncos' personnel were superior last year, are this year, and almost certainly will be next year barring something unforeseen. And unlike the situations with Seattle and SF, Elway does not have the cap benefit of a QB on a rookie deal -- a point frequently made by us when distinguishing Seattle and SF.
BB has been hurt by luck -- AH -- but also by draft classes that may have regressed, but in any case have not produced dominant players. His recent FA classes have not been strong.
There is no joy in this. Denver is a longstanding rival, and although Peyton is a brilliant workaholic worthy of everyone's respect, he also has more than a few earmarks of a first class asshole. Then again, I despise self anointed and entitled royalty, so maybe it's just me.
Elway I can't hate, even though there are still wounds from his torching us on the field. So far, he is one of the few HOFs in any sport who has managed to do a really nice job as an executive.
One point on next year - there is a decent chance the Broncos lose one of the Thomases and Welker. That is going to hurt them, no doubt. I would bet on the Pats having better personnel next year to be honest.
dcmissle said:
Given that the pool is relatively small, the hit rate is decent. I mean you have guys like Jerry West and Larry Bird in the NBA, and of course Ozzie in the NFL. Depending on how much credit you want to give Neely for the Bruins' championship, he's an example too.
There is a hidden selection bias, however. Imagine you had 10 identical GMs drafting players at random. At the end of a few years, Peyton Manning gets to choose what team to play for. He's going to pick the best team. And that GM is going to look good. If Brady got to choose a team in free agency this offseason, he would undoubtably have better talent around him right now (Bengals?), just because he gets to choose the best team. So randomness in draft success plus selection can artificially inflate a GMs record.dcmissle said:
Elway did a good job this offseason, no question. But in some ways he was lucky to have good talent outside of the QB spot at the right time.