Stitch01 said:I think the world of manning, but that's a short shelf life given the first part
The officials know what the League wants. It's particularly galling because Denver needs no help.soxfan121 said:Lots of dubious officiating last night, including that cockamamie fumble that got overturned.
The fix is in, folks. The NFL might as well hire David Stern as the Director of Officiating and get Tim Donaghy out there for the AFCCG.
Ed Hillel said:Officiating last night was brutal. You want to give the officials the benefit of the doubt of being merely incompetent, but that was really rough.
Manning also told his fans to shut the fuck up and tried to get the scoreboard operator fired after the game. He's just so darn fiery and competitive!
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24765368/peyton-manning-goes-off-on-broncos-disrespectful-scoreboard-operator?v=1&vc=1
"He's playing music, showing players dancing and getting the crowd fired up when we had the ball. I don't think he should be doing that."
"I don't think he should be showing their quarterback on the sideline. I thought that was kind of disrespectful. Our fans are great, our fans are loud, but our scoreboard operator, it wasn't his best night.
Peyton Manning and John Fox, what could possibly go wrong?RedOctober3829 said:They were in the Year of Peyton in 2012 until the famous Joe Flacco pass. The Year of Peyton was last year until the snap goes over his head to start the SB and 43-8 happened. Weird crap always seems to circle around Peyton's teams. The only SB he won he beat the Bears and Rex Grossman. They look good now, but you just wait. They find a way to screw it up.
Andrew said:
I just want to kick him in his stupid face.
singaporesoxfan said:On something more lighthearted, Broncos practice squad safety John Boyett was arrested after punching a cabbie - but not before he stole a shovel from a construction site and tried to hide from officers by covering himself in mulch.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26786072/police-ex-bronco-john-boyett-punched-cabbie-urged?source=infinite
Yep, I posted this in the game thread but it goes here too:drleather2001 said:
What an asshole. Seriously, get over yourself. It was late in the 4th quarter of a rout.
Then he tried to cover it up with some sort of "I'm a true gentleman" bullshit:
Anybody who says he's not a stats whore is a fool. He's great, yes. But he's also as Me First as they come.
Holy shit. After reading this, reading about Peyton's keep away set up after the record breaker and watching those two first and goals at the 1 in each of the last two games where there was a "poor snap" that forced Denver back to the 5 or so, I have no doubt that Peyton set both of those up so he could throw for scores instead of run the ball. The man is a selfish bastard and doesn't care about anything but his own legacy. Fuck him.
NatetheGreat said:
Honestly, it should be, but who on earth predicted the guy would be at his absolute peak right now, 38 years old and a couple of years removed from multiple neck surgeries? If Manning's career was going to follow anything like an ordinary trajectory, he would not be average 3+ TD's a game at this point. That he is obviously doesn't indicate he'll play forever, but I do think its tricky to gauge how many years he has left. If anyone is going to still be productive into their forties, he will.
Tony C said:fully agree that Manning is an anal retentive control freak, I've spent years hating him.
I've also spent years arguing that Brady is better, but while on the point above I don't have to concede -- I can still dislike/root against the guy -- sadly I do have to concede not just by comparison to Brady but in terms of GOAT. I'm amazed watching him play these days. Yes he has better receivers, etc. But...he's playing as well as I've ever seen a QB play.
And doesn't mean he's not an a-hole for calling out the scoreboard operator.
I agree with this. You can easily count on one hand the Pats who would start if you merged the two rosters. This defense is better than anything Peyton had in Indy.amarshal2 said:I think this is the best team Peyton has ever had. They're strong top to bottom and on both sides of the ball. In comparison to the Pats they're either close to equal or far superior in nearly every position grouping. (What do Pats have clear edge in? TE?) Time to start rooting for injuries because if they start clicking on all cylinders, look out.
Couldn't agree more. It's kind of mind-blowing that he made it public. Separate from actually being an empirically dickish move, how do you not SEE that it's a dickish move?What I do think is kinda shitty is that he made the issue public. Manning runs that Denver team. its not like he needs a media or public outcry to get his point across or make low level team employees listen to him. If after the game he took the scoreboard operator aside and told him not to do it again, I guarantee you that operator would listen. There is absolutely no need to make it a public issue.
They got hot for a few games and played the punch less Bears, who the Pats would have annihilated in the SB. That's why that AFC Championship game loss hurts so much.BigSoxFan said:2006 playoff Peyton sucked shit out there but the Colts defense inexplicably turned into a dominant unit.
Bongorific said:The don't make any noise when the offense is at work is such a buzzkill. Where's the fun in sitting on your hands and golf clapping for the home team? It makes for awful television too.
There's a measurable home field advantage in football and I believe that noise on offense has a lot to do with bringing down the away team.tims4wins said:Didn't they say the Super Bowl was louder than they expected and it threw them off? Could they be less mentally tough?
Yes.BigSoxFan said:Yes, but they have no effect when there's 2 minutes left and you're up 14 and all you need to do is hand the ball off. Peyton sucks.
Career GM comparisons are premature. It would be unfairly skewed in Elway's favor. He has not been at it long enough, and time usually exposes everyone.amarshal2 said:This year? Sure. Period? No way you can substantiate this. BB has put together a roster as good as the one Peyton has now before. You might remember Brady did a lot with it. Neither GM is going to be able to replicate that type of roster for long.
Edit: don't understand why quote function isn't working on app. Responding to DC saying that Elway better than BB.
dcmissle said:So far, he is one of the few HOFs in any sport who has managed to do a really nice job as an executive.
There is a hidden selection bias, however. Imagine you had 10 identical GMs drafting players at random. At the end of a few years, Peyton Manning gets to choose what team to play for. He's going to pick the best team. And that GM is going to look good. If Brady got to choose a team in free agency this offseason, he would undoubtably have better talent around him right now (Bengals?), just because he gets to choose the best team. So randomness in draft success plus selection can artificially inflate a GMs record.dcmissle said:Career GM comparisons are premature. It would be unfairly skewed in Elway's favor. He has not been at it long enough, and time usually exposes everyone.
I simply said that Elway is doing better than BB when both guys have a short fuse. I think the Broncos' personnel were superior last year, are this year, and almost certainly will be next year barring something unforeseen. And unlike the situations with Seattle and SF, Elway does not have the cap benefit of a QB on a rookie deal -- a point frequently made by us when distinguishing Seattle and SF.
BB has been hurt by luck -- AH -- but also by draft classes that may have regressed, but in any case have not produced dominant players. His recent FA classes have not been strong.
There is no joy in this. Denver is a longstanding rival, and although Peyton is a brilliant workaholic worthy of everyone's respect, he also has more than a few earmarks of a first class asshole. Then again, I despise self anointed and entitled royalty, so maybe it's just me.
Elway I can't hate, even though there are still wounds from his torching us on the field. So far, he is one of the few HOFs in any sport who has managed to do a really nice job as an executive.