Denzel Washington and Wayne Brady use dust.
http://youtu.be/bONBlJNt0I0?t=3m15s
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http://youtu.be/bONBlJNt0I0?t=3m15s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzB03c6Dc10
Aaron Hernandez charged with 1st degree murder; released by Patriots
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Ugh. It took 20 posts before someone got around to mentioning it was written by Borges? Matt Taibbi he is not.
Unfortunately this is true and AH has been using off and on since HS. Another note is that his dad used heroin and contracted HIV which contributed to his death. Both things are well known in Bristol. Lastly, a buddy who would know told me that Wallace is one of the worst scumbags in Bristol. His record is 25 years long and he's a bottom feeder. The fact that AH was buddies with him speaks to what a moron AH is. My buddy saw AH around when he was a kid and his take is that Aaron came off as "slow". Combine that with a proclivity to act gangster and PCP laced joints and it's a wonder he ever got to the level he attained.Buffalo Head said:
This bit here:
Is ridiculous. That's not how the draft works. Somebody would have picked up Hernandez based on his athleticism. It happened to be the Patriots. And for years they looked like geniuses for doing so.
Is ridiculous. That's not how the draft works. Somebody would have picked up Hernandez based on his athleticism. It happened to be the Patriots. And for years they looked like geniuses for doing so.
And of course, no national mediots, who will no doubt be pilling on soon, will mention, or bother to even find out, that Borges is a long-time Belichick antagonist, and who is the last person any credible news outlet would assign to an investigative piece on this subject. Laughable.
No, there was zero history on Stallworth; Borges is just taking liberties that he could not do with the Herald.Papelbon's Poutine said:
That's a good piece on net.
There's new info about the Pats security chief who was British and replaced an Irish Southie guy. With fewer local connections the Pats knew less about what he was up to.
New details on the night at Rumor.
On the downside- the obligatory Pats-Belichick-arrogance paragraph (hack Borges hack) and discussion of how AH might beat the rap if he names Ortiz as the shooter.
Based on discussion here I though he'd still go down as an accessory? Former US Atty Leone quoted that AH might logically testify in his own defense.
There's new info about the Pats security chief who was British and replaced an Irish Southie guy. With fewer local connections the Pats knew less about what he was up to.
New details on the night at Rumor.
On the downside- the obligatory Pats-Belichick-arrogance paragraph (hack Borges hack) and discussion of how AH might beat the rap if he names Ortiz as the shooter.
Based on discussion here I though he'd still go down as an accessory? Former US Atty Leone quoted that AH might logically testify in his own defense.
Hysterical to read that article which was kind of interesting and painted a slightly different picture of Hernandez than I thought I knew, and then to instantly be able to tell when you get to the part obviously written by Borges. I stopped there.
This on balance is good.
The next few days will be interesting and important. I prefer hater nation -- and the people who need to drive radio ratings -- to jump off the porch to chase this car rather than engage on anything of substance.
The next few days will be interesting and important. I prefer hater nation -- and the people who need to drive radio ratings -- to jump off the porch to chase this car rather than engage on anything of substance.
soxfan121 said:
I'll bet these "missed practice" references are actually missed offseason workouts. It's a fine distinction but one the author should have made if true.
I'll bet these "missed practice" references are actually missed offseason workouts. It's a fine distinction but one the author should have made if true.
Remember Hernandez also apparently qualified for a workout bonus.
The full article definitely implies that the "missed practices" were offseason workouts and sessions with a physical therapist, and seemed to be something that happened just this past winter and spring. It would explain why there was no media mention of this until now.
jsinger121 said:
You just can't publish quotes like these:
and maintain any sort of credibility.
[SIZE=10.5pt]Rolling Stone must have some seriously near-sighted editors, because the photographs in that article are large enough to mount on a billboard. A thumbnail works just fine, folks.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Is the author really trying to have the reader feel empathy for Aaron Hernandez as a murderer? It’s cute (and painfully predictable) when ESPN puts out the type of theatricals where the protagonist had an otherwise promising professional career/life derailed when a father killed in a kiln explosion or a leg was lost to a runaway cafeteria buffer. The adorableness just isn’t there when the subject responds to said road blocks by killing people. I think Rolling Stone took a standard ESPN script and played a game of Ad-Lib with it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Is the author really trying to have the reader feel empathy for Aaron Hernandez as a murderer? It’s cute (and painfully predictable) when ESPN puts out the type of theatricals where the protagonist had an otherwise promising professional career/life derailed when a father killed in a kiln explosion or a leg was lost to a runaway cafeteria buffer. The adorableness just isn’t there when the subject responds to said road blocks by killing people. I think Rolling Stone took a standard ESPN script and played a game of Ad-Lib with it.[/SIZE]
Do they mention anywhere in the article what happened to Frank Mendes in 2003? I ask genuinely because I have no interest in reading it, given Borges.
One of my best friends is from Foxboro and was Frank Mendes' neighbor. My friend worked in the pro shop for a couple years, too. Anyway, he was apparently fired by Kraft because he got into an altercation with some of Kraft's personal guests on the field. That may be something worth mentioning given that he is the source.
One of my best friends is from Foxboro and was Frank Mendes' neighbor. My friend worked in the pro shop for a couple years, too. Anyway, he was apparently fired by Kraft because he got into an altercation with some of Kraft's personal guests on the field. That may be something worth mentioning given that he is the source.
The author did make the distinction. It clearly says workouts this spring.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Sources close to the tight end add that throughout the spring, when players are expected to be preparing themselves for the marathon NFL season, Hernandez had missed workouts and sessions with a rehab trainer, and had been told by his head coach, Bill Belichick, that he was one misstep from being cut.
I'm wondering how many people in this thread bashing the article actually read it?
Do they mention anywhere in the article what happened to Frank Mendes in 2003? I ask genuinely because I have no interest in reading it, given Borges.
One of my best friends is from Foxboro and was Frank Mendes' neighbor. My friend worked in the pro shop for a couple years, too. Anyway, he was apparently fired by Kraft because he got into an altercation with some of Kraft's personal guests on the field. That may be something worth mentioning given that he is the source.
It's such classic Borges. I'd bet anyone a nickel that Mendes is the source for the quote about how the pats don't get good law enforcement tips any more. And by the way of Mendes was working security 1990 to 2003 he missed more than a few red flags.
One of my best friends is from Foxboro and was Frank Mendes' neighbor. My friend worked in the pro shop for a couple years, too. Anyway, he was apparently fired by Kraft because he got into an altercation with some of Kraft's personal guests on the field. That may be something worth mentioning given that he is the source.
It's such classic Borges. I'd bet anyone a nickel that Mendes is the source for the quote about how the pats don't get good law enforcement tips any more. And by the way of Mendes was working security 1990 to 2003 he missed more than a few red flags.
The people in this thread certainly read it with more care and scrutiny than Eric Wilbur, that ultimate media lightweight, who has already gone on record today saying (not saying) that their carelessness (and arrogance) cost someone their life...
I read the full article. Obviously, the media excerpts were done to make the largest headlines, but also remove a lot of important context that matters a whole lot. An example is the missed practices brouhaha. The pieces around Hernandez' past is quite interesting, and gets into details that an earlier Globe article last week by Bob Hohler left out.
The article went way off the rails when talking about the Patriots. The Mendes story seems to trite to be true, and the tired attacks on Belichick for his picking questionable players were obviously from Borges, and as usual were full of both logical and factual flaws.
The article went way off the rails when talking about the Patriots. The Mendes story seems to trite to be true, and the tired attacks on Belichick for his picking questionable players were obviously from Borges, and as usual were full of both logical and factual flaws.
I will say the first part of the article was quite good. When he started talking about the Pats it just got terrible.
Myt1 said:
I thought "overall" the article was pretty good. But I'm with Myt1 --- as a kid that also grew up in one of the Boston neighborhoods --- 'Southie strip club' was something that should have been removed if they didn't want people like me to raise an eyebrow about the author's knowledge / familiarity with that neighborhood.
Most telling part for me were the anecdotes about Hernandez' behavior around teammates -- Matt Light's quote, him being called a loner.
We knew all this, but those, to me, are the credible quotes that explain that dude was nutso. Patriots players don't go on the record about anything. And what was he doing while he was alone, brushing up on Kant and Aristotle?
We knew all this, but those, to me, are the credible quotes that explain that dude was nutso. Patriots players don't go on the record about anything. And what was he doing while he was alone, brushing up on Kant and Aristotle?
Paradigm said:
I'm not sure not eating with teammates, being a "loner", etc. can be "credible quotes" about Hernandez being a nutso.
For one, I wouldn't think Nnamdi Asomugha is a candidate for a murder indictment as well or anything close to it:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145489/article/nnamdi-asomugha-reportedly-ate-apart-from-eagles
Having said that, my problem with the article is that it tries to parcel out blame for anyone else other than Hernandez. BB, Patriots, even Urban Meyer, have not a shred of responsibility for the murder of the young man.
soxfan121 said:
I used "quotes" because I quoted it, but you're right, that was imprecise.
They're inaccurate. There are parts of Dorchester that have a lot of crime relative to the rest of the city and to what we all would agree is ideal or even reasonable. There is literally no place in the city of Boston that warrants comparison to a war-zone, and I'm not faint-hearted about things like this. It's not at all odd, let alone "most odd" for someone "questioned as a witness" to invoke his right to an attorney, and there are no strip clubs in Southie.
When a professional writer gets basic facts incorrect and makes obviously inaccurate characterizations, it is extremely difficult for me to give them the benefit of the doubt on facts they assert and characterizations they make about things that I'm not in a position to know better.
soxfan121 said:
I don't think using "war zone" to describe a portion of a city that isn't actually a war zone is very credible. Sure, there are some rough neighborhoods, but the hyperbole is unnecessarily transparent.
I don't think it odd to invoke attorney rights at all. In fact, I think it is the exact opposite of odd in that it happens daily.
Are there any strip clubs in Southie? I don't think licenses are allotted for those clubs in that area. (It's been a while since I live there, this may have changed).
Or, what Myt1 said above.
Whether there are or aren't strip clubs in Southie is irrelevant to Rolling Stone. It creates a better story if they say "war zone" and "Southie strip club."
SeoulSoxFan said:
You're better than that. Do his teammates say his behavior is odd? Was I asserting that anyone who spends time alone is a murderer? Of course not. Nobody would say anything against him when he was on the team. Now, a few details about his behavior are trickling out, and they seem to match what's being written.
Man, people really want to hate this article.
Ed Hillel said:
Not to mention that Mendes was fired 10 fucking years ago. It's not like Mendes was fired and the very next month Hernandez was out shooting up the Roxy.
Exactly. Which should make one wonder what else was included because it creates a better story.caesarbear said:
Myt1 said:
I used "quotes" because I quoted it, but you're right, that was imprecise.
They're inaccurate. There are parts of Dorchester that have a lot of crime relative to the rest of the city and to what we all would agree is ideal or even reasonable. There is literally no place in the city of Boston that warrants comparison to a war-zone, and I'm not faint-hearted about things like this. It's not at all odd, let alone "most odd" for someone "questioned as a witness" to invoke his right to an attorney, and there are no strip clubs in Southie.
When a professional writer gets basic facts incorrect and makes obviously inaccurate characterizations, it is extremely difficult for me to give them the benefit of the doubt on facts they assert and characterizations they make about things that I'm not in a position to know better.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
So, if--IF--Mendes were still on the payroll, he would have been just as likely to get calls about the examples Borges brings up even if he didn't have a phone.
That may be some exaggeration--I imagine you can probably buy weed in Brockton. I think millionaire football players hanging out in Brockton is a bigger red flag than drugs though.
Paradigm said:
Other than the quote from Light which came out weeks ago the only other thing in there is the fact that "several Patriots" none of whom are named in the article, who called him a "loner" and said that nobody hung with him. All of that is probably true but none of that strikes me as remarkable.
If we are assuming the quotes from unnamed family members, friends and teammates are true, then the fact that (a) he was smoking weed right after games on the way home, (b) he was using PCP, (c) he was paranoid and thought his life was in danger and carried a gun everywhere, (d) he flew to the combine to share his paranoia with Bill Belichick, all seem like much more bizarre behavior than a guy who didn't hang with his teammates.
Because it's shit theater compared to what should actually be investigative reporting. If Meyer was actually conducting a cover-up why isn't that the story. Why isn't every sport journalist hounding him? Why is no one grilling Reggie Nelson and the Bengals organization over the allegations that he was present at a shooting? Most of all, why aren't the various law enforcement entities that dealt with AH's previous deeds held accountable? Instead we get a FX channel drama of AH shaking the law like a tackle and why not throw in a Patriots scandal angle because that's a proven goldmine.Paradigm said:
Myt1 said:
I used "quotes" because I quoted it, but you're right, that was imprecise.
They're inaccurate. There are parts of Dorchester that have a lot of crime relative to the rest of the city and to what we all would agree is ideal or even reasonable. There is literally no place in the city of Boston that warrants comparison to a war-zone, and I'm not faint-hearted about things like this. It's not at all odd, let alone "most odd" for someone "questioned as a witness" to invoke his right to an attorney, and there are no strip clubs in Southie.
When a professional writer gets basic facts incorrect and makes obviously inaccurate characterizations, it is extremely difficult for me to give them the benefit of the doubt on facts they assert and characterizations they make about things that I'm not in a position to know better.
Entirely fair. Of course, you went verbose whereas kenneycb summed it up in five words.
kenneycb said:
Forget it, Myt1...it's Chinatown.
caesarbear said:
How was the "Patriots scandal angle" any more damning than the accusations about Urban Meyer, Reggie Nelson, or law enforcement? Do you really think that an article about how a Patriot's player may responsible for multiple murders shouldn't address said player's relationship with the Patriot's organization? And do you really think that the story here should be about Urban Meyer's Florida program and Reggie Nelson?
I'm saying they choose what to write about. It's not an investigative look into the events. It's a selective and creatively drawn story.
caesarbear said:
Right. But for some reason you're reacting as if the Patriot's mention is the only element of that. The Meyer cover up is a fact that should be investigated; the law enforcement malfeasance is fact that should be investigated; Reggie Nelson and the Bengals organization should be investigated. But the Patriots bit was just thrown in there because it's a proven goldmine.
Can't I do both? Can't I take issue with this article as an egregious example of infotainment masquerading as journalism?Paradigm said:
While this is just rumor (I assume) PCP use goes quite a ways toward explaining this whole situation, especially in conjunction with thug-life and AH's basic psychology (whatever that may be.)
Most notably, for the AH situation, it's a "dissociative" anesthetic which can exacerbate sometimes latent mental illness, as well as sometimes causing paranoia and a "distance" effect from one's actions. From what I've seen people really do flip out on this stuff. Not all the time - but it occurs.
While PCP use seems pretty rare now-a-days (I think of it as a 70s/80s thing) It's around, and I occasionally run into it in a criminal law context. PCP use often overlaps with some of the more hardcore MJ user subsets, some of them juveniles, mostly urban. It's smoked by dipping cigs or MJ joints into a liquid PCP solution (you buy the "dippers" pre-dipped as it were - you don't buy the liquid). Depending on who is doing the concentration or the actual dipping, the dosage (and effects) can vary widely depending on the batch you get.
General overview/history on PCP: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/pcp/effects.html
Here's one on recent PCP use in Philly: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/04/22/pcp-the-new-rise-of-a-drug-that-turns-teens-crazy.html
(I often thought the Miami Cannibal was on PCP (the taking off of the clothing, the psychotic violence) but he apparently tested clean during a tox screening.)
Most notably, for the AH situation, it's a "dissociative" anesthetic which can exacerbate sometimes latent mental illness, as well as sometimes causing paranoia and a "distance" effect from one's actions. From what I've seen people really do flip out on this stuff. Not all the time - but it occurs.
While PCP use seems pretty rare now-a-days (I think of it as a 70s/80s thing) It's around, and I occasionally run into it in a criminal law context. PCP use often overlaps with some of the more hardcore MJ user subsets, some of them juveniles, mostly urban. It's smoked by dipping cigs or MJ joints into a liquid PCP solution (you buy the "dippers" pre-dipped as it were - you don't buy the liquid). Depending on who is doing the concentration or the actual dipping, the dosage (and effects) can vary widely depending on the batch you get.
General overview/history on PCP: http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/pcp/effects.html
Here's one on recent PCP use in Philly: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/04/22/pcp-the-new-rise-of-a-drug-that-turns-teens-crazy.html
(I often thought the Miami Cannibal was on PCP (the taking off of the clothing, the psychotic violence) but he apparently tested clean during a tox screening.)
Honest question: was there a strip club there in the 1990s?Myt1 said:
Though I'd be inclined to believe that with the mention of Brockton they meant "south of Boston". Alex's and the Foxy Lady would fit the bill.
No. And they didn't mean that with it capitalized. Borges just wanted to name check a neighborhood that the rest of the country thinks is gritty.
I had a roommate (and a couple of his cohorts) in 1997 who was on Angel Dust. He was evicted by our landlord for throwing raucous parties. While my other roommate and I were happy about this, we had little to do with the eviction. Anyway, the night before he is supposed to be out, he goes and gets high with his buddy on Angel Dust. They come back to the apartment, confront me, threaten me, punch me (basically thinks me and my other roommate are responsible for all his problems - we had lived together about 50 days). I manage to escape out the back door and eventually I was able to call the police. My other roommate was upstairs at the time and he ended up jumping out a second-story window just to avoid them. When I returned to the apartment with the cops, the place was completely destroyed. Condiments all over the walls and ceiling, most of our belongings were burned in a fire on the front lawn, fish flushed down the toilet, etc.
I've never seen such a crazy look in someone's eye as I did that night (and I had been assaulted only a couple months earlier at a bar by an individual who had referred to himself as "Crazy Brian").
I've never seen such a crazy look in someone's eye as I did that night (and I had been assaulted only a couple months earlier at a bar by an individual who had referred to himself as "Crazy Brian").
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