RealFantasy Pigskin 2013: Draft and Discussion
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So, in assembling Tom Brady offense, I've tried very hard to surround Brady with the types of talents he has had success with in the past. The 2003-4 offense, really. There is no Corey Dillon left on the board (MJD...ah, what could have been) but there is one guy left who has had success with Brady, never fumbles, gets tough yardage up the gut, falling forward and moving the pile. A brawny, reliable banger who can take contact and work up the middle. Not a guy who will break off anything long, ever, but can catch a swing pass, pick up a blitz, get two and a half on third and two and smash into the goal line like a battering ram.
The Bengals take their second Bengal (and fourth Patriot), BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB
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BALL SECURITY!
The Bengals take their second Bengal (and fourth Patriot), BenJarvus Green-Ellis, RB
BALL SECURITY!
Finally going to address the TE position. I was hoping to get a TE who could block as well as catch but those guys are long gone. This kid is still pretty raw but he has incredible receiving skills and could come on as a blocker as he progresses and adds bulk. He was a small school standout, posting great numbers in his career but fell in the draft due to competition concerns. He has a great work ethic and intelligence, so I'm hoping for a breakout year in his sophomore season in the pros. He's getting to learn from one of the best TE's in the game and could very well be his heir apparent. He had virtually no playing time last year, but I believe that was by design to get him prepared for the pro level. At 6'6" 240 lbs he's a little light for a TE but he's quick for his size, has a huge catch radius and exceptional body control. At the very least he'll be a great redzone target but I believe his upside is way more than that.
With their pick in the 25th round the Patriots select Ladarius Green TE
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With their pick in the 25th round the Patriots select Ladarius Green TE
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Sort of an urgent question as I am about to pick...are we allowed to use the FB spot for a wildcat style player? Says RB/WR/etc...but what about a guy who plays QB too?
From the OP:bsj said:
1. The FB slot on offense should be considered an offensive skill position utility player - you can fill this position with RB, WR, TE, or FB.
Super Nomario said:
I understand that...but I am not sure how a guy who is known as a QB but could play somewhere else (such as a Tebow) aligns with that
From the OP: From the OP: Playing guys wildly out of position is frowned upon and you should be able to make a reasonable argument for why it makes sense.bsj said:
I think Tebow, for instance, is a plausible but shitty pick.
Well....not taking Tebow....but here's one for now...
Geoff Hangartner, RG
Played guard earlier in his career, has been playing center for the Panthers. Probably in the average to possibly slightly below average category (hey, being honest), but still if he's the weak link of the line, I think I am ok. Little older than I would like, but hoping his good head (scored a 47 out of 50 on the Wonderlic) will give him the ability to make some quick decisions to make up for any slowing...
Geoff Hangartner, RG
Played guard earlier in his career, has been playing center for the Panthers. Probably in the average to possibly slightly below average category (hey, being honest), but still if he's the weak link of the line, I think I am ok. Little older than I would like, but hoping his good head (scored a 47 out of 50 on the Wonderlic) will give him the ability to make some quick decisions to make up for any slowing...
I say make your argument. At this point in the draft anything to stir up discussion would be welcome.
Terrelle Pryor, Util/Slash
I dont know what I am going to do with him, but he's a ridiculous athlete and I want him as a slash threat....I think he adds a dynamic element to the offense that, coupled with the more traditional QB play of Andrew Luck, could make this team extremely hard to defense.
I see a lot of spread formations. I have no need for a traditional fullback. Frankly, no need for a traditional backup QB either.
But...I see him on the field for 90% of his reps as a multipurpose offense threat in the backfield or split out...rarely under center...
I dont know what I am going to do with him, but he's a ridiculous athlete and I want him as a slash threat....I think he adds a dynamic element to the offense that, coupled with the more traditional QB play of Andrew Luck, could make this team extremely hard to defense.
I see a lot of spread formations. I have no need for a traditional fullback. Frankly, no need for a traditional backup QB either.
But...I see him on the field for 90% of his reps as a multipurpose offense threat in the backfield or split out...rarely under center...
Makes sense. I have no objections to it. And please don't get mad at me for saying this but I find it highly ironic that the guy who so strenuously objected (at first) to drafting backup QB's drafts the first... backup QB (ok ok, he isn't a prototypical backup QB in your offense and I'm just kidding around anyway).
I think Pryor is going to be a bust as a QB but he is athletic enough to be an interesting slash threat. Definitely one of the more/most creative picks so far.
I think Pryor is going to be a bust as a QB but he is athletic enough to be an interesting slash threat. Definitely one of the more/most creative picks so far.
SMU_Sox said:
You know...I still may take another QB...I dont know...I think of him more as a Swiss Army Knife than a backup anything...
Was about to post something similar to SMU. Pryor isn't accurate and isn't a good decision maker, but he can run. He's more or less Tebow with a stronger arm. He isn't much of a QB, so I can definitely see him as an H-back.
I have no objections to that.
Question (and I think this has been answered but holy shit this thread has 81 frigging pages): I'm "supposed" to take another ILB... but I'm running a 4-3. Can I just draft any front seven player?
Question (and I think this has been answered but holy shit this thread has 81 frigging pages): I'm "supposed" to take another ILB... but I'm running a 4-3. Can I just draft any front seven player?
I went back and forth on this pick a lot, but time to pick. The Cleveland Ravens are bringing another Raven over from Baltimore. We choose:
WR Jacoby Jones, Champs
As a receiver, Jones is a one-trick pony. But he has elite speed and good size and commands respect downfield. Kaepernick throws deep as well as anybody, so we'll hit a few big plays, but I'm also hoping the safety help he demands will open things up underneath for Nicks and (especially) Crabtree. He won't start but he's a good situational player, and he's also an elite contributor on special teams, where he'll slide right in as our primary return guy.
8 of my 25 picks played in the Super Bowl last year.
EDIT: SSF PM'd
WR Jacoby Jones, Champs
As a receiver, Jones is a one-trick pony. But he has elite speed and good size and commands respect downfield. Kaepernick throws deep as well as anybody, so we'll hit a few big plays, but I'm also hoping the safety help he demands will open things up underneath for Nicks and (especially) Crabtree. He won't start but he's a good situational player, and he's also an elite contributor on special teams, where he'll slide right in as our primary return guy.
8 of my 25 picks played in the Super Bowl last year.
EDIT: SSF PM'd
Don't want to steal Nomario's thunder but I'm bored at work, here's a comparison of the draft vs. our "Mock" based on when we took them. First table sorted by our draft order, second table sorted by the actual draft.
[tablegrid= SoSH "Mock" vs Draft ]Actual Drft Num Pos Name 2 110 1 LT Luke Joeckel 112 2 QB Geno Smith 17 165 3 DE/OLB Jarvis Jones 14 169 4 DT Star Lotulelei 10 171 5 LG Chance Warmack 1 179 6 LT Eric Fisher 4 184 7 LT Lane Johnson 23 215 8 DT Sharrif Floyd 9 233 9 CB Dee Milliner 7 235 10 LG Jonathan Cooper 25 236 11 CB Xavier Rhodes 13 241 12 DT Sheldon Richardson 3 242 13 OLB Dion Jordan 5 247 14 DE Ezekiel Ansah 8 253 15 WR Tavon Austin 24 260 16 DE Bjoern Werner 28 266 17 DT Sylvester Williams 29 269 18 WR Cordarelle Patterson 278 19 DT John Jenkins 11 287 20 RT D.J. Fluker 6 291 21 DE Barkevious Mingo 297 22 WR Keenan Allen 30 305 23 ILB Alec Ogletree 21 310 24 TE Tyler Eifert 314 25 RT Reid Fragel 317 26 LT Terron Armstead 15 325 27 S Kenny Vaccaro 32 332 28 S Matt Elam 336 29 C Barrett Jones 351 30 DE Damontre Moore 353 31 DT Johnathan Hankins 26 381 32 DE Datone Jones 27 399 34 WR DeAndre Hopkins 20 407 35 OG Kyle Long 22 460 43 CB Desmond Trufant 19 461 44 OT Justin Pugh 18 533 53 S Eric Reid 31 534 54 OG(OC) Travis Frederick 16 608 62 QB EJ Manuel 12 646 74 CB DJ Hayden
[tablegrid= Draft vs SoSH "Mock" ]Actual Drft Num Pos Name 1 179 6 LT Eric Fisher 2 110 1 LT Luke Joeckel 3 242 13 OLB Dion Jordan 4 184 7 LT Lane Johnson 5 247 14 DE Ezekiel Ansah 6 291 21 DE Barkevious Mingo 7 235 10 LG Jonathan Cooper 8 253 15 WR Tavon Austin 9 233 9 CB Dee Milliner 10 171 5 LG Chance Warmack 11 287 20 RT D.J. Fluker 12 646 74 CB DJ Hayden 13 241 12 DT Sheldon Richardson 14 169 4 DT Star Lotulelei 15 325 27 S Kenny Vaccaro 16 608 62 QB EJ Manuel 17 165 3 DE/OLB Jarvis Jones 18 533 53 S Eric Reid 19 461 44 OT Justin Pugh 20 407 35 OG Kyle Long 21 310 24 TE Tyler Eifert 22 460 43 CB Desmond Trufant 23 215 8 DT Sharrif Floyd 24 260 16 DE Bjoern Werner 25 236 11 CB Xavier Rhodes 26 381 32 DE Datone Jones 27 399 34 WR DeAndre Hopkins 28 266 17 DT Sylvester Williams 29 269 18 WR Cordarelle Patterson 30 305 23 ILB Alec Ogletree 31 534 54 OG(OC) Travis Frederick 32 332 28 S Matt Elam 112 2 QB Geno Smith 278 19 DT John Jenkins 297 22 WR Keenan Allen 314 25 RT Reid Fragel 317 26 LT Terron Armstead 336 29 C Barrett Jones 351 30 DE Damontre Moore 353 31 DT Johnathan Hankins
[tablegrid= SoSH "Mock" vs Draft ]
[tablegrid= Draft vs SoSH "Mock" ]
I like this guy, although with our offense he won't be called often. Seoul Steelers sweepingly select:
P Brandon Fields
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P Brandon Fields
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I'm at that point now where I'm just taking swingy picks. They might be terrible, they might be great.
Who am I kidding, that's all I've been doing all draft. This is another of those, he's earned a nickname around this site due to his injury history, but I think he's shown competence while he's healthy, that just hasn't been nearly often enough. Hopefully he makes the year 3 jump.
Texans select Ras-I Dowling, CB
PM Sent
Who am I kidding, that's all I've been doing all draft. This is another of those, he's earned a nickname around this site due to his injury history, but I think he's shown competence while he's healthy, that just hasn't been nearly often enough. Hopefully he makes the year 3 jump.
Texans select Ras-I Dowling, CB
PM Sent
So now I guess it's time to go defen--
Shahid is gonna fight? SHAHID IS GONNA FIGHT
BACK THE FUCK UP MOTHERFUCKERS, CRANE KICK TO YOUR COLLECTIVE DICKS COMING THROUGH
THOMAS MOTHERFUCKING MORSTEAD, PUNTER.
Have you seen your girl in the last 5 minutes? If not, there's a 90% chance Tommy is plowing her right now. Let's face it, you can't compete with him. He's got the mullet. The thighs. The flexibility. If Rex Grossman's arm and Superman's dick had a baby it would be Thomas Morstead's right leg. The man is a SPECIALIST. He can make all the kicks. He'll send it so deep into your zone that your legs will give out and you'll have no choice but to fall to your knees and thank him. He'll switch it up and tease you with a perfect onside kick IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE NATION.
Look at that confidence. He wears number 6 and the world is his 9. PM sent.
Shahid is gonna fight? SHAHID IS GONNA FIGHT
BACK THE FUCK UP MOTHERFUCKERS, CRANE KICK TO YOUR COLLECTIVE DICKS COMING THROUGH
THOMAS MOTHERFUCKING MORSTEAD, PUNTER.
Have you seen your girl in the last 5 minutes? If not, there's a 90% chance Tommy is plowing her right now. Let's face it, you can't compete with him. He's got the mullet. The thighs. The flexibility. If Rex Grossman's arm and Superman's dick had a baby it would be Thomas Morstead's right leg. The man is a SPECIALIST. He can make all the kicks. He'll send it so deep into your zone that your legs will give out and you'll have no choice but to fall to your knees and thank him. He'll switch it up and tease you with a perfect onside kick IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE NATION.
Look at that confidence. He wears number 6 and the world is his 9. PM sent.
The Sea Tunts select Davon House, CB #3
We looked at a ton of CBs for this pick, some veterans & some rookies, but only House was a good mix. House's college tape from 2010 is better than any of the tape from the remaining rookies, and House is still just 23 but with 2 years of NFL experience. I also have a pretty well connected friend that's a Packer fan and he likes House a lot too.
We looked at a ton of CBs for this pick, some veterans & some rookies, but only House was a good mix. House's college tape from 2010 is better than any of the tape from the remaining rookies, and House is still just 23 but with 2 years of NFL experience. I also have a pretty well connected friend that's a Packer fan and he likes House a lot too.
I am happy with the situations each of my rookie RFP picks ended up in. Kiko Alonso going in the 2nd round to Buffalo - before Arthur Brown and Kevin Minter - gives him a new coaching staff and playing time for two seasons and development time on the field. Andre Ellington goes to one of the most muddled RB situations in the league, with a HC who played a rookie back (Ballard) last year as the Colts interim coach and Rashard Mendenhall's corpse to beat out for playing time. And Josh Evans goes to a defensive coach who loves big defensive backs who hit hard and might get to pair up with Cyprien to be Gus Bradley's long term S duo in Jacksonville.
It would help to get a PM so the draft isn't delayed, especially on the weekend.
In Bill we trust, right?
Aaron Dobson, WR
Edit: PM sent
In Bill we trust, right?
Aaron Dobson, WR
Edit: PM sent
The LA Rams select OLB Jonathan Vilma.
I don't like Vilma. I don't like having to make this pick. But the WLB pickings are so, so slim right now, and I can't take another rookie to start next to Minter, and I need a guy who can at least be decent in coverage. Vilma is weak against the run but that's Minter and Henderson's specialties. We'll use Vilma mostly in coverage. For my last starting 22 position player pick up I feel like I could definitely do worse. The guy took a pay cut to stay in NO and the word is he'll be used mostly as a nickel LB. That's cool with me.
PM off to MMS.
I don't like Vilma. I don't like having to make this pick. But the WLB pickings are so, so slim right now, and I can't take another rookie to start next to Minter, and I need a guy who can at least be decent in coverage. Vilma is weak against the run but that's Minter and Henderson's specialties. We'll use Vilma mostly in coverage. For my last starting 22 position player pick up I feel like I could definitely do worse. The guy took a pay cut to stay in NO and the word is he'll be used mostly as a nickel LB. That's cool with me.
PM off to MMS.
I need some insurance for Kenrick Ellis, who didn't exactly receive a huge vote of confidence when Rex drafted another DT in the first round (even if he and Richardson have different skill sets). For some time, there's been a "Free NT Steve McClendon" movement brewing among Steelers fans. He's one of these guys who came from nowhere, has spent several years working hard in Dick Lebeaus's Black and Gold Defensive Boot Camp, and has been buried due to Lebeau's strong preference for veterans, despite being very productive when seeing the field (in 359 total snaps over 2011-12, PFF has him +15.1). This year seems to be his big opportunity, as Casey Hampton is unlikely to come back and Alameda Ta'amu keeps shuttling between jail and Mike Tomlin's doghouse. The Steelers signed McClendon to a three year deal a couple weeks ago, suggesting that they see him as a piece of the puzzle moving forward. He very well might turn into nothing more than a situational player but I also think there's a non-negligible chance he follows the Brett Keisel career path and emerges as a very good and very underrated lunchpail DL. He also has a little versatility, primarily playing NT (he's bulked up to roughly 320 so size isn't a big concern, as it was when he first come into the league), but logging some minutes as a 3-4 DE as well.
A couple GIFs from a recent Steelers blog entry on McClendon:
A couple GIFs from a recent Steelers blog entry on McClendon:
With Rolando McClain a complete wildcard at this point, and most likely to never see a NFL football field again, I need to readdress the ILB position.
The San Francisco 49ers select: Nico Johnson, ILB
He's a hard hitting 3-4 ILB. Fits our scheme extremely well. Was picked by the Chiefs 2nd in the 4th round. We're hoping for at the least a two down player that can hit the FB, and disrupt the running lane. He's also been known to be pretty good in coverage.
His weaknesses include not having a ton of straight line speed, and not having great playmaking ability. Hopefully with a defense full of playmakers Nico can do what he does best, hit people hard.
edit: If I have time later today I might try and catch us up on the chart but if not move Rolando McClain to DT/NT (the bench)
The San Francisco 49ers select: Nico Johnson, ILB
He's a hard hitting 3-4 ILB. Fits our scheme extremely well. Was picked by the Chiefs 2nd in the 4th round. We're hoping for at the least a two down player that can hit the FB, and disrupt the running lane. He's also been known to be pretty good in coverage.
His weaknesses include not having a ton of straight line speed, and not having great playmaking ability. Hopefully with a defense full of playmakers Nico can do what he does best, hit people hard.
edit: If I have time later today I might try and catch us up on the chart but if not move Rolando McClain to DT/NT (the bench)
The Redskins are proud to select one of our own:
Niles Paul, TE - Place in FB Slot Please
Very intrigued with what Washington is doing with him. He was a standout WR for Nebraska in college, named as a second team all Big 12 selection at WR, and was a decent punt and kick returner. Drafted by Washington, and after a season playing mostly on special teams, Washington saw fit to move him to TE. With decent size and 4.5 speed, he can pose match-up problems against most LBs and SSs. At this point in the draft, I think he's worth taking a flier on for our FB/Second TE position, in the hopes he can develop into a match-up nightmare for opposing defenses.
Plus, apparently he isn't a fan of roller coasters. Or the Redskins cheerleaders.
EDIT: Cleared up some stylistic stuff.
EDIT2: Also had a 6.90 3 cone at his combine. Pretty quick. In Belichick we trust!
Niles Paul, TE - Place in FB Slot Please
Very intrigued with what Washington is doing with him. He was a standout WR for Nebraska in college, named as a second team all Big 12 selection at WR, and was a decent punt and kick returner. Drafted by Washington, and after a season playing mostly on special teams, Washington saw fit to move him to TE. With decent size and 4.5 speed, he can pose match-up problems against most LBs and SSs. At this point in the draft, I think he's worth taking a flier on for our FB/Second TE position, in the hopes he can develop into a match-up nightmare for opposing defenses.
Plus, apparently he isn't a fan of roller coasters. Or the Redskins cheerleaders.
EDIT: Cleared up some stylistic stuff.
EDIT2: Also had a 6.90 3 cone at his combine. Pretty quick. In Belichick we trust!
I need to round out my secondary and I believe I have found a nice steal this late in the process. FS Danieal Manning has the versatility to play safety and corner, but he fits with us at free safety. He's an average run defender, but has the speed and the ball skills to play an effective safety.
The Chiefs will select TE - Tony Scheffler
I am actually kind of surprised he lasted past some of the guys who were drafted. Scheffler's stats aren't incredible, but he also splits time with Brandon Pettigrew in Detroit. If he were to get the full time on the field, I have no doubts that he could be a top 15 TE in this league. We are happy to accept him as our number 1 TE.
I am actually kind of surprised he lasted past some of the guys who were drafted. Scheffler's stats aren't incredible, but he also splits time with Brandon Pettigrew in Detroit. If he were to get the full time on the field, I have no doubts that he could be a top 15 TE in this league. We are happy to accept him as our number 1 TE.
Colts select *DT Jordan Hill* as our "extra" front seven player. He'll give us the flexibility to play a heavier run-stopping package, and has some interior pass ability as well.
The Bears select WR Mario Manningham.
He'll serve as my true third WR, though Olsen will see a ton of snaps as a move TE. I was surprised to see Manningham still available, and I'll take it.
Btw, I don't see Mercedes Lewis at TE (Olsen is meant for FB).
PS - I'm mobile, so I can't message SMU/KFP (although, really, who is looking for them?)
He'll serve as my true third WR, though Olsen will see a ton of snaps as a move TE. I was surprised to see Manningham still available, and I'll take it.
Btw, I don't see Mercedes Lewis at TE (Olsen is meant for FB).
PS - I'm mobile, so I can't message SMU/KFP (although, really, who is looking for them?)
Also Lewis' first name should be Marcedes, just for clarity sake. When I took Scheffler I almost drafted Lewis because his name is spelled wrong.
Manning was the older safety I was thinking of taking... I think he's a good value at this point.RedOctober3829 said:
- Football Outsiders
PFF's Punter Ranks:
2012: 5th
2011: 5th
2010: 2nd
In 2012 his net yards were 11th, his in the 20 was 4th, and his avg. was 50.2 yards, good for best in the NFL.
It's not his fault his coverage sucked. He had the tied for 7th best hangtime.
Brandon Fields, Punter.
PM sent
SMU_Sox said:- Football Outsiders
PFF's Punter Ranks:
2012: 5th
2011: 5th
2010: 2nd
In 2012 his net yards were 11th, his in the 20 was 4th, and his avg. was 50.2 yards, good for best in the NFL.
It's not his fault his coverage sucked. He had the tied for 7th best hangtime.
Brandon Fields, Punter.
PM sent
This is a great pick.
Shitty offenses need great punters. Great pick.
SMU_Sox said:
Yeah, looks like it hasn't been updated in a while.
He's not, so he's all yours.SMU_Sox said: