@ChrisCotillo: Belief around baseball is that Noah Syndergaard is in play in trade talks for the #Mets.
Still wonder if this means Sale might be available? They could fix most of their lineup holes with a return for him.soxhop411 said:jeff samarzija is on the verge of being traded. the white sox are the likely landing spot. http://t.co/roBpJjMEVv
Maybe that one report that white Sox would trade for Shark, then move Sale for a bunch of prospects/players is accurate after all67WasBest said:Still wonder if this means Sale might be available? They could fix most of their lineup holes with a return for him.
Why would you ask that? There has been very little doubt that Shark would get traded, either now or mid-season. Beane has talked about how he needs to re-tool the team.soxhop411 said:What the hell are the A's doing? Are they trying to tank?
He may be a great prospect, but he's just a "pitching prospect." Hasn't pitched an inning in the bigs. Trading X for him would be insane.MakMan44 said:Oh man. I think I'd give up Xander for him. It's not the best idea, but I'm a huge Syndergaard fan.
I find this interesting. I agree that we've got better players (though Semien's MiL #s are pretty impressive) and I wonder if Billy is choosing the players he wants rather than the best package offered or something like that.Rudy Pemberton said:Yeah, the Sox organization has chunks of Semien in its stool.
Or maybe the Red Sox aren't offering a package for him.MakMan44 said:I find this interesting. I agree that we've got better players (though Semien's MiL #s are pretty impressive) and I wonder if Billy is choosing the players he wants rather than the best package offered or something like that.
You're right, of course. Sorry for the asinine post, I just didn't see a deal getting done for Sydergaard without X.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:He may be a great prospect, but he's just a "pitching prospect." Hasn't pitched an inning in the bigs. Trading X for him would be insane.
Probably nothing concrete, but they were discussing him, no?Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:Or maybe the Red Sox aren't offering a package for him.
why would the White Sox trade for Shark and the turn around and trade away Sale?HangingW/ScottCooper said:I really think Chris Sale is the target, if it's with Lester, even better. Best guess, they wind up with Sale and Shields and Swihart and Cespedes are the biggest pieces dealt.
Really. They are trying to put together a contender.BoSoxFink said:why would the White Sox trade for Shark and the turn around and trade away Sale?
The projection above reflects Kennedy's 2014 career best year in Ks; despite that, he still only managed a 92 ERA+ on the season. Moreover this is probably the only perspective from which Cespedes for Kennedy would look good; in terms of overall performance, Kennedy hasn't been a particularly good pitcher since 2011. If the Red Sox are looking for someone who can reignite the rivalry by beaning Ellsbury and co, I guess you'd have to consider Kennedy. Otherwise, avoid.The Boomer said:An interesting projection of a simple bases on balls deducted from strikeouts by Jeff Zimmerman at Fangraphs:
http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/simple-2015-pitcher-rankings/
Phrenelized!
By this Projection, relying on Steamer, Ian Kennedy is surprisingly competitive just below Cueto and Wainwright and just above Zimmerman, Fernandez, Samardzija and Salazar according to these predictions. Cespedes for Kennedy looks good from this perspective. Buchholz, Kelly and Kennedy (the latter two sounding like Boston pols) wouldn't be bad. If they can't sign Lester, then a more cost effective free agent or tryouts for the last two rotation spots aren't the end of the world. Overpaying, particularly for too many years for older pitching, almost never works out. Lester was a special case but for 7 years and more than $150 million, I'd pass.
Why would the White Sox trade Chris Sale for a year of Cespedes and Swihart under any circumstances? Sale would have to wander into the press conference with his arm wrapped around the back of his head like when they found Drew's body in Deliverance for that trade to even begin making sense.BoSoxFink said:why would the White Sox trade for Shark and the turn around and trade away Sale?
Could be they viewed Semien as someone who won't be terribly useful down the line, traded for Shark to turn him into a first round pick after he leaves via FA.BoSoxFink said:why would the White Sox trade for Shark and the turn around and trade away Sale?
4 gold according to my old player's handbook.shepard50 said:Platinum costs more than gold.
shepard50 said:Platinum costs more than gold.
Again, GFIN is not incompatible with a Sale trade; downgrade to Samardizja and use the return for Sale to fill your holes.UnfrozenCavemanGrebeck said:Just to nip this Sale possibility in the bud - White Sox signing David Robertson to a Papelbon-type deal indicate they're in full GFIN mode. I don't see Sale becoming available.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/white-sox-to-sign-david-robertson.html
Crap. I love Shark. There's always next year...soxhop411 said:“@JonHeymanCBS: deal to send samardzija to the white sox is agreed to”
Take him off the list
You mean 4 gold more, right? 1 pp = 5 gp, right?foulkehampshire said:4 gold according to my old player's handbook.
Rasputin said:
That's going to require an explanation.
HriniakPosterChild said:
All the kids are saying that these days. Doesn't it suck to be our age?
Hee Sox Choi said:Semien, Bassitt (who sucks) + PTBNL for Samarzdija? I feel like we could have beaten that with Marrero + a shitty back-end SP + whatevs. Guess it just depends on who that player is. That's really light for Samarzdija, wow. What is up with Beane collecting middle infielders?
EDIT: Let me add a little more on Bassitt. He wasn't in Fangraphs top 25 prospects and was briefly mentioned as someone with bad control and will be better in short stints.
Perhaps the days of spending a lot on a 1-year rental have come to an end. It would make logical sense that it would.
Isn't Marrero at least two years away though? Beane needed to get a starting short stop for 2014 and he thinks Semien fits that bill.Hee Sox Choi said:Semien, Bassitt (who sucks) + PTBNL for Samarzdija? I feel like we could have beaten that with Marrero + a shitty back-end SP + whatevs. Guess it just depends on who that player is. That's really light for Samarzdija, wow. What is up with Beane collecting middle infielders?
EDIT: Let me add a little more on Bassitt. He wasn't in Fangraphs top 25 prospects and was briefly mentioned as someone with bad control and will be better in short stints.
Perhaps the days of spending a lot on a 1-year rental have come to an end. It would make logical sense that it would.
Darnell's Son said:Isn't Marrero at least two years away though? Beane needed to get a starting short stop for 2014 and he thinks Semien fits that bill.
Edit: stupid phone
I mean, when you spell it out, it makes a little bit of sense but how often does this happen?BarrettsHiddenBall said:Again, GFIN is not incompatible with a Sale trade; downgrade to Samardizja and use the return for Sale to fill your holes.
Or maybe the Sox value his versatility, want him as their utility player, and aren't shopping him.Merkle's Boner said:I'm really curious why there seems to be no market for Brock Holt. With his versatility he would strike me as a Billy Beane player. I understand the lack of pedigree but you would think he proved this past year that he can play at the ML level.
Merkle's Boner said:I'm really curious why there seems to be no market for Brock Holt. With his versatility he would strike me as a Billy Beane player. I understand the lack of pedigree but you would think he proved this past year that he can play at the ML level.
His playing with a concussion really hurt him. I have never heard an explanation of how that happened, how their medical tests failed to diagnose his condition.czar said:
Or teams are actually (likely) showing some interest in him, but realized he played well over his head last year and aren't interested in overpaying for a guy who projects to have between 0 and 0.5 fWAR once his BABIP from last year is regressed.
Merkle's Boner said:I'm really curious why there seems to be no market for Brock Holt. With his versatility he would strike me as a Billy Beane player. I understand the lack of pedigree but you would think he proved this past year that he can play at the ML level.
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:Or maybe the Sox value his versatility, want him as their utility player, and aren't shopping him.
czar said:
Or teams are actually (likely) showing some interest in him, but realized he played well over his head last year and aren't interested in overpaying for a guy who projects to have between 0 and 0.5 fWAR once his BABIP from last year is regressed.
Gordon Edes @GordonEdes 8h8 hours ago
Angels have some interest in Brock Holt as shortstop insurance. Farrell today cited his value to Bos as super utility player
If that's the case, I think it's shortsighted. If middle of the road infielders are getting np you LH sluggers like Moss, or #2 starters like Shark, I'm going to run with Weeks rather than Holt. I just think utility infielders are a hell of a lot easier to replace than sluggers and starters.Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:Or maybe the Sox value his versatility, want him as their utility player, and aren't shopping him.
BarrettsHiddenBall said:Again, GFIN is not incompatible with a Sale trade; downgrade to Samardizja and use the return for Sale to fill your holes.
Pedro 4 99MVP said:I really think we missed the boat on Shark. I know that none of us are Billy Beane, and maybe he wanted Semien more than any of us can imagine, BUT wouldn't Marrero, Barnes or Ranaudo, and 1 more B level prospect be tough to turn down if you were Beane. Hell, I don't care, make the 3rd player Cecchini, we would still have plenty of prospects, and I don't think Cecchini is in any long term plans. We shouldn't have to wait for Lester, this could have been done anyway. We need 2, and this wouldn't have cost us Cespedes, Owens, other RHP not included in the theoretical Shark offer.
So if Lester signs you have a rotation headed by Lester and Shark
If Lester signs elsewhere, you have Shark and plenty of other trade chips to make a 2nd deal.
Like I said, maybe we made an offer and Beane loves Semien, but I really think we could have beat the ChiSox offer.
Re: Semien v. Marrero, I think there's just a lot to be said for the fact that Semien has held his own at the MLB level, while Marrero hasn't done that yet.Pedro 4 99MVP said:I really think we missed the boat on Shark. I know that none of us are Billy Beane, and maybe he wanted Semien more than any of us can imagine, BUT wouldn't Marrero, Barnes or Ranaudo, and 1 more B level prospect be tough to turn down if you were Beane. Hell, I don't care, make the 3rd player Cecchini, we would still have plenty of prospects, and I don't think Cecchini is in any long term plans. We shouldn't have to wait for Lester, this could have been done anyway. We need 2, and this wouldn't have cost us Cespedes, Owens, other RHP not included in the theoretical Shark offer.
So if Lester signs you have a rotation headed by Lester and Shark
If Lester signs elsewhere, you have Shark and plenty of other trade chips to make a 2nd deal.
Like I said, maybe we made an offer and Beane loves Semien, but I really think we could have beat the ChiSox offer.